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Post by jukeboxher on Aug 27, 2005 9:05:27 GMT -5
slayer,
Since you peruse both boards, why stir up trouble? The whole thing is a joke and it will hardly make Billboard. Just let it go.
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Post by cincy777 on Aug 27, 2005 9:18:32 GMT -5
slayerules, writers write from shit that happens in their lives, which this obviously had a huge influence, and the guy singing on this album can sing his ass off, maybe not up to par with "Slayers" highly trained vocals, but you know....  Other than the obvious references, the album sound likes it going to be great. |
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Post by wildincinci on Aug 27, 2005 12:10:12 GMT -5
Did I miss something? What the hell is everyone talking about?
Josh
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Post by jojo711 on Aug 27, 2005 12:32:17 GMT -5
henning is doing a CD in reference to frameshift and what happened with sebastian. i thought i told you?
it's called credit where credit is due
here's the songs, one might say he's poking fun at baz and to me that's not a professional musician<my opinion>
1. Your mother is a trucker - done
2. Cure the Breach - done
3. Three - done
4. Scheisslautundhartwiedreck - done
5. I don't wanna be a rockstar - done
6. Six - done
7. Seven - done
8. Radio Sucks - done
9. Halo - done
10. Copyright Conspiracy - done
11. German Metalhead - done
12. I like my video games - done
jojo
p.s you asked josh so i posted
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Post by allura13 on Aug 27, 2005 14:32:14 GMT -5
henning is doing a CD in reference to frameshift and what happened with sebastian. i thought i told you? it's called credit where credit is due here's the songs, one might say he's poking fun at baz and to me that's not a professional musician<my opinion> 1. Your mother is a trucker - done 2. Cure the Breach - done 3. Three - done 4. Scheisslautundhartwiedreck - done 5. I don't wanna be a rockstar - done 6. Six - done 7. Seven - done 8. Radio Sucks - done 9. Halo - done 10. Copyright Conspiracy - done 11. German Metalhead - done 12. I like my video games - done jojo p.s you asked josh so i posted I agree with ya Paula. Sounds like Henning is poking fun at Baz. I guess some people aren't happy unless they keep the ball rollin  Char |
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Post by baranthalas on Aug 27, 2005 17:53:55 GMT -5
Did I miss something? What the hell is everyone talking about? Josh +1 |
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 27, 2005 18:11:09 GMT -5
I will say the same thing here that I said on Henning's board, for the benefit of people who don't visit Henning's board and/or are too jaded to see past their blind allegiances:
There are lots of examples where musicians have a falling out, and out of that comes some great music.
Example : Neil Young VS. Lynyrd Skynyrd
The Neil Young songs "Southern Man" and "Alabama" VS. the reply by Lynyrd Skynyrd "Sweet Home Alabama"
Now there have been a lot of thing said about this particular musical fued. The band members themselves (Neil Young, and Van Zant of Skynyrd) have said that it was just a harmless dig and they actually love each other's music (and Young has said that he has performed 'Sweet Home Alabama' on numerous occasions).
But the bottom line for me is it makes the music more interesting.
It's something more interesting than just writing because you have to, to sell records. Trying to fabricate a song out of nothing.
Here Henning and the team are making music out of inspiration.
And no matter how the record turns out, it's going to be a hell of a lot more interesting than the fabricated crap you hear on the radio.
Also for anyone who is paying attention, the entire album is not about Sebastian Bach.
Obviously if you review the song titles a song like "Halo" has nothing to do w/ Sebastian Bach. It was possibly inspired by Bach's comment about Henning being a loser geek who plays video games.
Well, I guess that makes me a loser geek too. Thanks for that Sebastian. :/
Anyways, "Halo" is a very popular video game, and from Sebastian's comment to Henning's love for video games comes this particular song inspiration.
If this album is anything I certainly don't see it as a direct slam at Sebastian Bach. It's not a comedy album or a send-up. If this record was just a tasteless slam at Sebastian Bach, I wouldn't buy it.
It's new music. It's something to write about. They'll do this album, and move onto something else (like the 3 other records he has on the backburner).
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 27, 2005 18:25:42 GMT -5
And one more thing before I go...
If it hasn't been said enough, before I start sounding like a Henning Pauly yes man, I still love Sebastian Bach's voice. I never get tired of it, I think it's the most interesting voice of my generation, and there is no one that can touch him on record.
But I live in the middle of nowhere; Sebastian hasn't played a gig within 4 hours of here in over a decade, and there isn't a lot else for me to talk about on this board since there is no new Sebastian Bach music for me to talk about.
I grew up listening to vocal groups like the Beach Boys. Listen to some of their live concerts, and then listen to (for example) the American Idol crowd absolutely BUTCHER their material.
As much as I might like a particular style of music, if I don't dig the singer's voice, that's the deal breaker.
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Post by Acekicken on Aug 27, 2005 18:45:37 GMT -5
Since were now posting over here what is written on over there this project reminds me of Weird Al. It's "Just one More" ride on the name Sebastian Bach in hopes to sell more CD >$. Since Sebastian Bach is the biggest inspiration for there latest project should he not get a *CREDIT * on this dig , dig. They are complaining that Sebastian Bach is not selling the CD in his concerts & could sell thousands. Why would he want to help them? As I recall Bach did go live on the radio & help promote the CD. And is playing Blade in his Live set & I'm sure he will mention to the audience if they like the song they can pick it up on Amazon  Hey Matt did you not just say some people just won't let it go. |
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Post by wildincinci on Aug 27, 2005 19:20:12 GMT -5
everyone speak up quick because I'm going to kill this thread soon. And yes, the album is a slam on sebastian. I've seen a couple of the video logs and Henning is intentionaly making fun of sebastian in them. How very professional of him. And I'm not sold on that new guy's voice. He uses a falsetto to hit high notes. I can't stand falsetto singers. If you can't hit the high notes through singing it or screaming it, then don't bother. It's fake and anyone can do it.
Josh
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Post by Acekicken on Aug 27, 2005 19:36:41 GMT -5
I have saved it in mail by by thread
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 27, 2005 19:52:10 GMT -5
Won't let what go, Ace?
I am talking about new music here. You keep bringing it back to Frameshift 2 and "just one more ride on the Sebastian Bach name".
In short, no. Did Neil Young get credit for "Sweet Home Alabama"? No.
Is Sebastian going to write the proper credits for the song 'Blade' if he puts it on his new album? I guess we'll see.
You're contradicting yourself. Selling FS2 at his shows would be helping him just as much as it would the people who wrote, played on, recorded, distributed and paid for this music.
Also : Weird Al takes exact copies of songs, and re-records them with new lyrics but mostly the same music. I should know, because when I was in my early teens I owned all of his albums up to that point.
CWCID is not Weird Al.
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 27, 2005 20:01:30 GMT -5
Josh there is a difference between poking fun at someone in a video for fun, and personally attacking them in the media and threatening them w/ violence.
Well there is something to talk about. It's your personal opinion of course. But that's the kind of stuff I personally find interesting.
Why don't you repost this on Henning's board? Maybe Juan will respond. Get a discussion going.
I don't know jack shit about singing, other than that I can barely do it. And I am assuming you know as much as me.
I've played guitar for almost 15 years and taught guitar so I have a minimal knowledged about the voice, but I do play by ear.
But I don't know much about the art of 'singing' in general. And I am going to go out on a limb here, but I am guessing most of the people who post on both of these messageboards don't either.
In my opinion, Juan is more 'operatic' and Sebastian is more 'Broadway'. There's no other way I can think to describe it. Two very different voices.
The greatness of one voice doesn't automatically negate the voice of another though.
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Post by Acekicken on Aug 27, 2005 20:18:42 GMT -5
Mat CWCID is 3/4 about Sebastian Bach & Absence of Empathy I wonder if they are going to be sued by XBox for Halo,shit Green Jello got sued for their name& had to become Green Jelly. Slip Not is suing BK over the similarity in the way the Chicken Fry Band looks in the Commercial Since they want to send a CD to Bach Why don't we send 1 to the makers of Xbox. Play with Fire U will get Burned!  |
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 27, 2005 20:28:39 GMT -5
No. Maybe 1/2 of the songs are 'inspired by'. But none of the lyrics to my knowledge come out and say "I hate Sebastian Bach!!!"
Green Jello : The name "Jello" is a copyright. It's a unique name. Same as "Kleenex".
Slipknot were originally going to be that band in the Burger King commercial. And when they backed out, BK used a look-alike. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. They've SUED Burger King, but they haven't won. I think it's hilarious myself. Did you read the 10 page report on The Smoking Gun? Lol at "The Slipknot Generation". I can't stand that fucking band.
Halo : I am not sure how that works, but given how much I know about Bungie -- I have been buying their games for almost 10 years -- and how much Henning and Shawn seem to know about copyright, I doubt they would overstep their boundaries with regards to using the name "Halo" and doing an homage to it.
Why don't you start a thread on henning's board and ask them about it? How they are doing it?
Or better yet just to be safe why don't you buy a copy of the CD and write a letter and send it to Bill Gates? I am sure he would love to hear from you lol
Make sure you use Spellcheck!
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Post by Acekicken on Aug 27, 2005 20:40:47 GMT -5
Um no I will not buy a Cd |
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Post by wildincinci on Aug 27, 2005 21:26:48 GMT -5
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Well there is something to talk about. It's your personal opinion of course. But that's the kind of stuff I personally find interesting.
Why don't you repost this on Henning's board? Maybe Juan will respond. Get a discussion going.
I don't know jack shit about singing, other than that I can barely do it. And I am assuming you know as much as me.
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Well I am fortunate enough then that I do know jack shit about singing. I took vocal lessons when I was younger and I sang in bands. Sebastian has shown me personaly how the diaphram is used to push out the higher notes and I have used the technique myself. The fact is. falsetto, ( false meaning fake) anyone can do it. So there for, I am not impressed. No I will not post this on Hennnings board. I don't want to be replied to by Henning's faithful blind followers who worship and believe his every word. No offense to anyone over there. I do not know any of them personally, and they have done nothing to me personally.
Josh
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Post by allura13 on Aug 28, 2005 0:58:37 GMT -5
everyone speak up quick because I'm going to kill this thread soon. And yes, the album is a slam on sebastian. I've seen a couple of the video logs and Henning is intentionaly making fun of sebastian in them. How very professional of him. And I'm not sold on that new guy's voice. He uses a falsetto to hit high notes. I can't stand falsetto singers. If you can't hit the high notes through singing it or screaming it, then don't bother. It's fake and anyone can do it. Josh Thanks Josh!!!!!!! And yes we do have shit stirrers here again. You can't voice your opinion here anymore without someone attacking you. All I can say is......YES, THEY ARE MAKING FUN OF SEBASTIAN AND IF THAT MAKES ME JADED WELL SO BE IT. AS FAR AS GOING TO HENNINGS BOARD,,,,,,NO THANKS! CHAR |
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 28, 2005 9:28:03 GMT -5
It's interesting that you bring that up, because form day one I haven't been able to make a post on this Forum without someone else jumping in and correcting me.
Out of the 5-6 boards I visit quite frequently, this is the only board I get that on.
Why is that do you suppose?
And I really hope that comment wasn't directed towards me personally because you know that is just not true.
Like every board there are the completely blind fanboys, and then a few people who actually have their own opinions outside of what (in this case) Henning or Sebstian tell them to think.
I've ripped Henning and Shawn on numerous occassions, once for a completely inconsiderate berrating of a poster who was just looking for information.
Kind of like what goes on here.
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 28, 2005 9:38:56 GMT -5
Josh, do you mind if I do it then? I find this stuff interesting.
Some also notable voice talents that use falsetto to extend their range:
Justin Hawkins (The Darkness)
Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden)
Axl Rose
Barry Gibb (Bee Gees)
Prince
Chris Martin (Cold Play)
Mariah Carey
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Post by jukeboxher on Aug 28, 2005 9:55:05 GMT -5
This board is highly defensive because of Baz's rules and regulations. It's his board. On Henning's board, their more liberal, you can say what you feel, even rip them apart without being deleted. It's their board.
It's the old adage, 'When in Rome'.
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 28, 2005 12:02:55 GMT -5
Matt. I do know jack shit about singing. I took singing lessons and sang in bands in my earlier years. The fact is, a falsetto (false meaning fake), anyone can do, therefore I'm not impressed. To hit high notes, like a scream, you have to push your diaphram going in to an "upper register" as baz would call it. I can't expaling it in writing. I'm done arguing about htis. Josh Josh : No one is arguing with you. I just thought the idea of how singers do what they do was an interesting topic. And your thoughts on Juan's voice were interesting. As I said, I don't know jack shit about singing or what it takes. I wanted to share those over @ Henning's board. But before I go and just repost what you wrote here, I wanted to know if that was ok. Since you have no interest in doing it yourself. I still think it is an interesting point. See what I mean though? I can't even start a discussion on this website without someone jumping on me thinking I am trying to start an arguement, when all I am doing is discussing what has been said in greater detail.  Everyone seems to have a really short fuse over here. The reason I listed names like Axl and Barry Gibb and Mariah Carey is that this 'falsetto' seems to have worked for them. Any one of those singers could be considered at the top of their game. |
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Post by wildincinci on Aug 28, 2005 13:03:56 GMT -5
Josh, do you mind if I do it then? I find this stuff interesting. Some also notable voice talents that use falsetto to extend their range: Justin Hawkins (The Darkness) Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden) Axl Rose Barry Gibb (Bee Gees) Prince Chris Martin (Cold Play) Mariah Carey Dude you are totally wrong about axl and Bruce. I don't listen to cold Play so not sure there. Josh |
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 28, 2005 13:05:32 GMT -5
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Post by wildincinci on Aug 28, 2005 13:07:40 GMT -5
The thing is, just because we, we meaning average people, cant hit a high note without a falsetto, that doesn't mean that someone else can't. Plus that dude from the Darkness sounds like crap any way when he does it.
Josh
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Post by MatthewPhillips on Aug 28, 2005 13:34:43 GMT -5
The thing is, just because we, we meaning average people, cant hit a high note without a falsetto, that doesn't mean that someone else can't. Plus that dude from the Darkness sounds like crap any way when he does it. Josh For anyone else who may be reading, we're debating technique here. "Head" voice (Justin Hawkins, Juan Roos, Prince) VS. "Chest" voice (Sebastian). The word "falsetto" is a misnomer, as there's nothing really false about it at all; it's something given to all human beings who can utter sounds. It only seems abnormal, maybe, because people tend to speak in chest voice most of the time instead of in head voice; but women regularly sing in head voice most of the time (a'la Mariah Carey). TEST YOURSELF: Speak something out loud. You should be able to feel your voice speaking from within your chest. Then sing something. The natural instinct is to sing from your "head" voice, with no help from your diaphragm i.e. your "chest" voice. |
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Post by wildincinci on Aug 28, 2005 14:34:23 GMT -5
for an easy example, the dude from the darkness when he sounds like he's going in to a fake high singing voice, that's a falsetto. Bruce dickinson sounds like he's using the same singing voice when he sings high and low, he does not use one. Maybe you and I are not on the same page matt as far as what a falsetto is.
Here's an example, you know how maria carey hits notes so high they sound like a keyboard? That is a falsetto. Sebastian bach high notes? Like at the end of Quicksand Jesus? Not falsetto, full on screams.
Josh
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Post by ~CYN~ on Aug 28, 2005 16:24:41 GMT -5
BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! He does promote the cd and he did it at Rock the Park! Bye Bye thread!!!!!
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Post by Metalbrat on Aug 28, 2005 18:07:28 GMT -5
Jesus, mary and Joseph, when is all this frigging shit going to DIE already. I'm soooo fucking tired. I'm off the board for a couple of days, i get aggrivation from in laws, (some who have always sucked, and just proved that assh*les will NEVER CHANGE). and I come bach here and find the same old song with the same old boring lyrics and that never changes either. I'm so friggin tired of it. thought 'maybe' I could escape it online, yeah right what the hell was I thinking?! People never grow up, get over shit and live on, they have to keep shit up so they can get attention to themselves, (that part is for the 'frameshift' person who I refuse to even type) and i hope this thread disappears as much as I wish the whole thing would so I don't have to hear the whining he said, he said, crap. UGH   |
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Post by Jennielise on Aug 29, 2005 10:32:52 GMT -5
hey if everybody just keep trowing fuel on the fire, it can take a while before this all dies.
and more albums will be done out of it....who knows
Jenn
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