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Post by baranthalas on Jan 1, 2009 15:01:04 GMT -5
i recieved lik 5 emails from youtube blabla service today. it basicly says that "A copyright owner has claimed content in one of your videosþ" i used lots of skid row songs on my world of warcraft videos. you know the game..
so what i would like to know is, is bach or other guys in skid row are in charge of copyright issues of skid row songs. because in my videos songs like slave to the grind or livin on a chain gang are perfect !
my videos are just for fun, nothing to be taken serious really. but i want to use those songs on my movies. so help me out, who should i send email for this issue.
ps: i will not pay to use those songs in my movie ofc. they are just captures of a game..
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Post by Katkick on Jan 2, 2009 8:11:29 GMT -5
i recieved lik 5 emails from youtube blabla service today. it basicly says that "A copyright owner has claimed content in one of your videosþ" i used lots of skid row songs on my world of warcraft videos. you know the game.. so what i would like to know is, is bach or other guys in skid row are in charge of copyright issues of skid row songs. because in my videos songs like slave to the grind or livin on a chain gang are perfect ! my videos are just for fun, nothing to be taken serious really. but i want to use those songs on my movies. so help me out, who should i send email for this issue. ps: i will not pay to use those songs in my movie ofc. they are just captures of a game.. Had my song list taken down (had numerous songs from various artists). My guess is that 'MySpace' folks did some sort of 'blanket' clean-out to make all artists happy?  now that you've mentioned your site, I'll bet that's what happened? |
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Post by southernkitty69 on Jan 16, 2009 3:16:14 GMT -5
You have to be careful when it comes to Baz's music and photos... (or any artist/celebrity) one big thing is yeah, those playlists.. because when you set up a playlist, basically anyone who sees your playlist can listen to his songs for free..... when he should be paid for his work. I don't use the playlists because its basic copyright knowledge that you are not supposed to add songs or photos of an artist/celebrity to any website without their written permission.. Just think about Baz and respect for his hard work... it's almost like, doing your job in your real life, but then you don't receive a paycheck for it  |
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Post by Metalbrat on Jan 20, 2009 19:18:40 GMT -5
i recieved lik 5 emails from youtube blabla service today. it basicly says that "A copyright owner has claimed content in one of your videosþ" i used lots of skid row songs on my world of warcraft videos. you know the game.. so what i would like to know is, is bach or other guys in skid row are in charge of copyright issues of skid row songs. because in my videos songs like slave to the grind or livin on a chain gang are perfect ! my videos are just for fun, nothing to be taken serious really. but i want to use those songs on my movies. so help me out, who should i send email for this issue. ps: i will not pay to use those songs in my movie ofc. they are just captures of a game.. Had my song list taken down (had numerous songs from various artists). My guess is that 'MySpace' folks did some sort of 'blanket' clean-out to make all artists happy? now that you've mentioned your site, I'll bet that's what happened? Yeah, thats happened before to my myspace with different artists. Now since Baz has songs that he allows to be added to myspace sites its been ok. But it still happens sometimes. |
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Post by Sebastian Bach on Jan 21, 2009 13:38:25 GMT -5
this is so crazy to me.
i kwow you dont mean any harm in using my music for your videos, but what every person under 30, it seems like, doesnt realize: we make our living by making music. noone has the right but us , the musicians, to upload our music to the internet! it is so insane to me that anyone even wants to be in a band anymore sometimes. if you upload our song to your site why would someone go buy the cd? if they can go to your site & hear it for free ?
its absolutely unbelievable.
its also like beating your head against a wall.
if i see any roadrage, angel down, forever wild, jcs, j &h, anything that i did not consent to be on the internet, i have it taken down. its nobodys right but mine to put my art on the internet. bootlegs are different. they are not supposed to be professional looking or sounding, so i dont really care so much about that. but if i put a cd out or a dvd , & put my name on it, it makes me furious to see it all being given away for free & there is next to nothing i can do about it.
ace, you know that countdown you got goin ? add about another 10 years onto that because its shit like this that make me & alot of other musicians say "fuck this". noone has intentionally done anything wrong, its just assumed these days if you make music than it should be free. this does NOT exactly make us all run skip
& jump into the studio as quick as we can.
its like the dude in the white stripes said : "playing music now is like being a carpenter & all the work has left town".
i would suggest if you want music for your video game videos, learn how to play an instrument, write a song, record it , & use it in your video.
Because i have to feed my children & pay my bills with mine.
thanks.
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Post by Dogface on Jan 21, 2009 15:30:17 GMT -5
**Dogface stands and claps**.....well said Sebastian. As a musician myself (albeit part time hehe) I have to agree 110% and the whole downloading and ripping off Artists is possibly the single biggest scourge on the Internet. The world is losing some mighty talented young musicians because, seriously, what is the point in making music anymore as a profession and to earn an income?? I wish some of these smartasses that illegally download and STEAL could explain to me where a Musicians living is going to come from!!?? People who illegally download, be it Music, Movies etc are STEALING and im sick of it.  People say "oh but why dosent the artist just Tour...sell heaps of Merchandise and make money that way"....thats all good and well, but it costs money to tour!!! Touring is expensive, and you cant just keep touring, you gotta take time out to write new music and get in the studio (another cost) and record it!! What about the musicians with young families who dont want to be out on the road away from their families 365 days a year?? Why should they HAVE to do that because some cheapskate asshole has decided to steal an album so they dont have to pay $20 bucks...people also say "Stuff the record companies, use the Internet to sell your music"....that I agree with to a certain point, but again, people will put your CD up in the Net for scumbags to download....im talking from a viewpoint of downloading Albums and songs off the illegal Torrent sites here....im not sure how all the YouTube and Gaming stuff works but I gather its reletively the same thing.... Im ranting I know...but this is something that really annoys the hell out of me. Im sure that over time, the Music Industry will (hopefully) find a way to get around this issue but who knows how long thats going to take....im totally with ya on this one Baz. |
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Post by fanglette on Jan 21, 2009 16:58:18 GMT -5
I'm sure no real fan would be happy feeling they had taken something away from an artist they admire, however inadvertantly! I think sometimes it's difficult to figure out what's ok/legal and what's not in this all-digital era. (Not that I'm saying it's ok to get it wrong, just to make that clear from the outset!)It was easy when you knew that getting a blank tape and taping your mate's tape/record was dodgy, but there is so much technology available to home users these days that the line maybe isn't so clear. Obviously, sites like Reverbnation are legit, and involve content-controlled distribution by the artist, generating income via directed advertising and marketing on the site, but I have a question: What about stuff like the 'picture gallery' videos you sometimes see on Youtube, where people have put images/video clips of the artist together over a track using home studio equipment. Is this the digital equivalent of fan-art, or does it result in potentially lost income for the artist concerned (and the photographer/filming company etc. etc.)? I've never done one myself, but there are loads of them around! I don't want to watch something that takes away from Sebastian's income!  Fx |
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Post by southernkitty69 on Jan 21, 2009 18:15:26 GMT -5
this is so crazy to me. i kwow you dont mean any harm in using my music for your videos, but what every person under 30, it seems like, doesnt realize: we make our living by making music. noone has the right but us , the musicians, to upload our music to the internet! it is so insane to me that anyone even wants to be in a band anymore sometimes. if you upload our song to your site why would someone go buy the cd? if they can go to your site & hear it for free ? its absolutely unbelievable. its also like beating your head against a wall. if i see any roadrage, angel down, forever wild, jcs, j &h, anything that i did not consent to be on the internet, i have it taken down. its nobodys right but mine to put my art on the internet. bootlegs are different. they are not supposed to be professional looking or sounding, so i dont really care so much about that. but if i put a cd out or a dvd , & put my name on it, it makes me furious to see it all being given away for free & there is next to nothing i can do about it. ace, you know that countdown you got goin ? add about another 10 years onto that because its shit like this that make me & alot of other musicians say "fuck this". noone has intentionally done anything wrong, its just assumed these days if you make music than it should be free. this does NOT exactly make us all run skip & jump into the studio as quick as we can. its like the dude in the white stripes said : "playing music now is like being a carpenter & all the work has left town". i would suggest if you want music for your video game videos, learn how to play an instrument, write a song, record it , & use it in your video. Because i have to feed my children & pay my bills with mine. thanks.  |
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Post by wildhorse on Jan 21, 2009 19:39:10 GMT -5
Exactly people! Well written. I wish everyone on the Internet would read this thread and think twice before "pirating".
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Post by seven23 on Jan 21, 2009 20:03:17 GMT -5
this is so crazy to me. i kwow you dont mean any harm in using my music for your videos, but what every person under 30, it seems like, doesnt realize: we make our living by making music. noone has the right but us , the musicians, to upload our music to the internet! it is so insane to me that anyone even wants to be in a band anymore sometimes. if you upload our song to your site why would someone go buy the cd? if they can go to your site & hear it for free ? its absolutely unbelievable. its also like beating your head against a wall. if i see any roadrage, angel down, forever wild, jcs, j &h, anything that i did not consent to be on the internet, i have it taken down. its nobodys right but mine to put my art on the internet. bootlegs are different. they are not supposed to be professional looking or sounding, so i dont really care so much about that. but if i put a cd out or a dvd , & put my name on it, it makes me furious to see it all being given away for free & there is next to nothing i can do about it. ace, you know that countdown you got goin ? add about another 10 years onto that because its shit like this that make me & alot of other musicians say "fuck this". noone has intentionally done anything wrong, its just assumed these days if you make music than it should be free. this does NOT exactly make us all run skip & jump into the studio as quick as we can. its like the dude in the white stripes said : "playing music now is like being a carpenter & all the work has left town". i would suggest if you want music for your video game videos, learn how to play an instrument, write a song, record it , & use it in your video. Because i have to feed my children & pay my bills with mine. thanks. While I understand where you are coming from, I think you are being a little ridiculous. what about the reverse side of this? What about the people who are doing this that are helping promote your music? Think about how many young gamers who have never heard of Skid Row or Sebastian Bach might be going out and buying your albums based on hearing one of these songs on youtube played during a gaming video. Why do artist always think people are stealing from them? The internet is an amazing tool for promotion, and some people are harmlessly uploading these videos and helping promote the bands they love, and you jump on them for it? You need to get with the times dude, you arent going to stop the internet no matter how hard you try, so you need to adjust. This isnt the late 80's/early 90's anymore. People who are going to buy your albums are going to buy your albums regardless, and just because they happen to find one song on youtube being played during a game being played is going to stop them from doing that. I'm not trying to argue with you, Baz, because I respect you as an artist, and I have bought every single album you have released. Angel Down is a kickass album and I love it, I just think you are going a bit overboard with this. You have the right no doubt, because it is your music, but I think you need to pick your battles, and this is one that might hurt you more than help you. As an up and coming musician myself I would be honored if someone who loved my music used it in a video they made. I dont expect this to change your mind, because I know how frustrating piracy is for musicians, but in this case I think the music is actually helping promote your music rather than hurt it. I have never EVER heard of someone not buying an album because they could get the music on youtube (or another video site). However, I know many people (including myself) who have baught albums based on hearing just one song on youtube. |
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Post by Dogface on Jan 21, 2009 21:12:26 GMT -5
this is so crazy to me. i kwow you dont mean any harm in using my music for your videos, but what every person under 30, it seems like, doesnt realize: we make our living by making music. noone has the right but us , the musicians, to upload our music to the internet! it is so insane to me that anyone even wants to be in a band anymore sometimes. if you upload our song to your site why would someone go buy the cd? if they can go to your site & hear it for free ? its absolutely unbelievable. its also like beating your head against a wall. if i see any roadrage, angel down, forever wild, jcs, j &h, anything that i did not consent to be on the internet, i have it taken down. its nobodys right but mine to put my art on the internet. bootlegs are different. they are not supposed to be professional looking or sounding, so i dont really care so much about that. but if i put a cd out or a dvd , & put my name on it, it makes me furious to see it all being given away for free & there is next to nothing i can do about it. ace, you know that countdown you got goin ? add about another 10 years onto that because its shit like this that make me & alot of other musicians say "fuck this". noone has intentionally done anything wrong, its just assumed these days if you make music than it should be free. this does NOT exactly make us all run skip & jump into the studio as quick as we can. its like the dude in the white stripes said : "playing music now is like being a carpenter & all the work has left town". i would suggest if you want music for your video game videos, learn how to play an instrument, write a song, record it , & use it in your video. Because i have to feed my children & pay my bills with mine. thanks. While I understand where you are coming from, I think you are being a little ridiculous. what about the reverse side of this? What about the people who are doing this that are helping promote your music? Think about how many young gamers who have never heard of Skid Row or Sebastian Bach might be going out and buying your albums based on hearing one of these songs on youtube played during a gaming video. Why do artist always think people are stealing from them? The internet is an amazing tool for promotion, and some people are harmlessly uploading these videos and helping promote the bands they love, and you jump on them for it? You need to get with the times dude, you arent going to stop the internet no matter how hard you try, so you need to adjust. This isnt the late 80's/early 90's anymore. People who are going to buy your albums are going to buy your albums regardless, and just because they happen to find one song on youtube being played during a game being played is going to stop them from doing that. I'm not trying to argue with you, Baz, because I respect you as an artist, and I have bought every single album you have released. Angel Down is a kickass album and I love it, I just think you are going a bit overboard with this. You have the right no doubt, because it is your music, but I think you need to pick your battles, and this is one that might hurt you more than help you. As an up and coming musician myself I would be honored if someone who loved my music used it in a video they made. I dont expect this to change your mind, because I know how frustrating piracy is for musicians, but in this case I think the music is actually helping promote your music rather than hurt it. I have never EVER heard of someone not buying an album because they could get the music on youtube (or another video site). However, I know many people (including myself) who have baught albums based on hearing just one song on youtube. Dude....are you serious or what? Ask any kid these days playing a game - ok lets take Guitar Hero as an example...they hear a song by, say, Dragonforce off the latest GH...and they think "Wow that song is amazing im gonna check this band out"...are you seriously trying to tell me they go to a Record Store and pick up a CD, take it to the counter, hand over the $$$s and take it home and listen to it? RUBBISH!!!!!!!!! I reckon maybe 5 - 10% of kids under 25 do that. They get online, go to a Torrent site, find the Album, sometimes find the bands entire Discography...and they DOWNLOAD IT and put it on their iPod!!!!!!!! Now...they may not like what they hear, in which case they MIGHT delete the file....but if they DO like what they hear, then they tell ALL their friends and then proceed to either give them copies of the album, or their friends go online and do the exact same thing....YES it is promoting the Band becuse people are listening to their music and telling their friends and therefore the Band is getting more "fans" HOWEVER....are ALL of those same kids going to go to the Live Show when it hits their town AND buy a TShirt or a Poster or whatever to give the artist some INCOME?? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! In some cases yeah they might...but more than likely they are strapped for cash and you gotta buy Beer as well....AND the Band has to come to their town first... So...let me ask you this question...seeing as you are an up and coming musician....say you pay some money to record yourself an Album. You sell it at shows and on the Net and stuff, and thats all going ok....but you check a Torrent site oneday and find 50 people downloading it for free....oh and you are taking a punt on doing music as a full time career, so you need money to pay the bills....please explain to me where is your income going to come from?? What if you get signed to a big Label (or even a lo-fi one) and they advance you money so you can record your CD...the Label then says to you "You gotta sell 20,000 of these babies worldwide before we start making any money on this" and you bust your balls promoting yourself, doing shows (again this is factored into your budget) and its all over the radio...you think things are going great...then the record company says to you "You havent sold enough, get back out on the road"....you are tired, sick of playing the same song over and over night after night..you have all these new songs ready to record but you cant cause you gotta get back out there to help pay the bills....and you find out your album has been Downloaded 30,000 times and "only" sold 10,000 copies???!!!!!! Then the Label drops you because you are not making any money for them, and you are left with NOTHING! I know that things are not going to change...this is the way things are now...but I am yet to hear a valid argument as to why Downloading isnt as bad as some people say....and im yet to hear anyone explain where the artist gets their Income from if they are not selling CDs....yeah I know the Artist gets jack from selling CD's (maybe $2 a CD depending on your contract) but its still income....and dont even get me started on the fact that you have created an Art form and someone has STOLEN it from you....what happens to you if you go to the Supermarket and decide you want a can of Coke but you havent got any money so you just take it and walk out without handing over any money?? You get busted and you get arrested. So...what is the difference?? Im not meaning to pay out on you either...and if you purchase CD's then mate, you gotta admit, you are in the minority these days...but I need someone to explain to me why its ok to not pay for something you want... |
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Post by southernkitty69 on Jan 21, 2009 21:45:07 GMT -5
While I understand where you are coming from, I think you are being a little ridiculous. what about the reverse side of this? What about the people who are doing this that are helping promote your music? Think about how many young gamers who have never heard of Skid Row or Sebastian Bach might be going out and buying your albums based on hearing one of these songs on youtube played during a gaming video. Why do artist always think people are stealing from them? The internet is an amazing tool for promotion, and some people are harmlessly uploading these videos and helping promote the bands they love, and you jump on them for it? You need to get with the times dude, you arent going to stop the internet no matter how hard you try, so you need to adjust. This isnt the late 80's/early 90's anymore. People who are going to buy your albums are going to buy your albums regardless, and just because they happen to find one song on youtube being played during a game being played is going to stop them from doing that. I'm not trying to argue with you, Baz, because I respect you as an artist, and I have bought every single album you have released. Angel Down is a kickass album and I love it, I just think you are going a bit overboard with this. You have the right no doubt, because it is your music, but I think you need to pick your battles, and this is one that might hurt you more than help you. As an up and coming musician myself I would be honored if someone who loved my music used it in a video they made. I dont expect this to change your mind, because I know how frustrating piracy is for musicians, but in this case I think the music is actually helping promote your music rather than hurt it. I have never EVER heard of someone not buying an album because they could get the music on youtube (or another video site). However, I know many people (including myself) who have baught albums based on hearing just one song on youtube.
Seven23, Come ON! You think Baz is being ridiculous?? Consider THIS:
People, who buy a DVD of Baz or one of his CD's then UPLOAD it to various public domain sites, are not only SCREWING Baz, they're screwing THEMSELVES. Here is a damn' good example:
I bought Baz's "Forever Wild" DVD. I love it, I enjoy it at home with my husband. Because that is what DVD's and music CDs that you buy, are FOR: By copyright law, they are for "Personal entertainment purposes only and not to be reproduced or duplicated in any way." I bought MY copy of Forever Wild, if someone else wants to watch it they can go out and FUCKING BUY THEIR OWN COPY!!! If I'VE spent my money to buy his DVD, YOU can, and so can everyone else that 'wants to see it'. Why the FUCK would ANYONE - Go and spend THEIR money on a DVD or CD, then upload it to the net so the whole damned UNIVERSE can listen to it for free? Pretty stupid isn't it? Because people who do that, do it at not only Baz's expense but their OWN. They're dickheads. Providing free music, videos to others who haven't paid for it, when they paid for it THEMSELVES.
And contrary to the common widespread belief, most famous people ARE NOT 'made of endless money'. They have to keep WORKING, to keep earning a living. Think about it! They have to pay upfront out of their own pockets, the costs of MAKING a DVD or CD... then they have to hope that their DVD/CD not only sells enough to cover the costs of producing it, but also enough profit that they can save, invest, keep up with living expenses JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
This is common sense shit, Seven23. Nothing in Life is free. My momma taught me that. Did your parents teach it to YOU? |
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Post by bachfan20 on Jan 21, 2009 22:15:10 GMT -5
Well said Sebastian, Dog and southernkitty I agree 100%. My personal outlook has always been if you really do love the artist and respect them you'll buy the album, DVD or VHS. Not to be rude but you can't tell me people can't afford to pay 99 cents for the download. After all you can buy the CD put on your windows media player and put it on your Ipod. Then its legit, I honestly wouldn't feel like much of a fan if I didn't pay for the music. By the way the Forever Wild DVD is awesome I got it last week.
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Post by southernkitty69 on Jan 21, 2009 22:18:06 GMT -5
Well said Sebastian, Dog and southernkitty I agree 100%. My personal outlook has always been if you really do love the artist and respect them you'll buy the album, DVD or VHS. Not to be rude but you can't tell me people can't afford to pay 99 cents for the download. After all you can buy the CD put on your windows media player and put it on your Ipod. Then its legit, I honestly wouldn't feel like much of a fan if I didn't pay for the music. By the way the Forever Wild DVD is awesome I got it last week. Exactly! If you love the artist you'll BUY his music so that he can keep making more music! |
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Post by Acekicken on Jan 21, 2009 22:54:47 GMT -5
Baz is right no one has the right,to just take his music it should not even be a debate.
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Post by txz045 on Jan 21, 2009 23:10:15 GMT -5
It was easy when you knew that getting a blank tape and taping your mate's tape/record was dodgy, ah yes, the days of copying a friends cassette tape prior to going out and buying a copy of your own. Atleast then you most likely had to listen to it while it was copying. And then after you bought your cassette you passed your copy onto a friend. I still play cassettes and vhs tapes pretty regular. I don't agree with downloading but I can't say I never have. I did buy Angel Down and I love it. I would definately hope that Baz would come to Odessa,TX and blow the roof off of Dos Amigos. |
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Post by tilo on Jan 21, 2009 23:46:10 GMT -5
this is so crazy to me. i kwow you dont mean any harm in using my music for your videos, but what every person under 30, it seems like, doesnt realize: we make our living by making music. noone has the right but us , the musicians, to upload our music to the internet! it is so insane to me that anyone even wants to be in a band anymore sometimes. if you upload our song to your site why would someone go buy the cd? if they can go to your site & hear it for free ? its absolutely unbelievable. its also like beating your head against a wall. if i see any roadrage, angel down, forever wild, jcs, j &h, anything that i did not consent to be on the internet, i have it taken down. its nobodys right but mine to put my art on the internet. bootlegs are different. they are not supposed to be professional looking or sounding, so i dont really care so much about that. but if i put a cd out or a dvd , & put my name on it, it makes me furious to see it all being given away for free & there is next to nothing i can do about it. ace, you know that countdown you got goin ? add about another 10 years onto that because its shit like this that make me & alot of other musicians say "fuck this". noone has intentionally done anything wrong, its just assumed these days if you make music than it should be free. this does NOT exactly make us all run skip & jump into the studio as quick as we can. its like the dude in the white stripes said : "playing music now is like being a carpenter & all the work has left town". i would suggest if you want music for your video game videos, learn how to play an instrument, write a song, record it , & use it in your video. Because i have to feed my children & pay my bills with mine. thanks. Wow I'm really suprised at Baz's answer. I think he's totally right, I agree 100% with him, but at the same time I feel he was a bit too agressive with the suggestion at the end of the post. I mean, baranthalas didn't want to cause any harm to Baz, maybe it wasn't necesary to say something like that last part. Anyway, Baz's comment was very clear and usefull to understand what to do or not to do with YouTube and all those sites. I've a friend who got her videos deleted too, so now I'll have a great clear explanation for her. Thanks Baz for takin' the time to clear this up. |
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Post by newbachfan123 on Jan 21, 2009 23:58:48 GMT -5
this is so crazy to me. i kwow you dont mean any harm in using my music for your videos, but what every person under 30, it seems like, doesnt realize: we make our living by making music. noone has the right but us , the musicians, to upload our music to the internet! it is so insane to me that anyone even wants to be in a band anymore sometimes. if you upload our song to your site why would someone go buy the cd? if they can go to your site & hear it for free ? its absolutely unbelievable. its also like beating your head against a wall. if i see any roadrage, angel down, forever wild, jcs, j &h, anything that i did not consent to be on the internet, i have it taken down. its nobodys right but mine to put my art on the internet. bootlegs are different. they are not supposed to be professional looking or sounding, so i dont really care so much about that. but if i put a cd out or a dvd , & put my name on it, it makes me furious to see it all being given away for free & there is next to nothing i can do about it. ace, you know that countdown you got goin ? add about another 10 years onto that because its shit like this that make me & alot of other musicians say "fuck this". noone has intentionally done anything wrong, its just assumed these days if you make music than it should be free. this does NOT exactly make us all run skip & jump into the studio as quick as we can. its like the dude in the white stripes said : "playing music now is like being a carpenter & all the work has left town". i would suggest if you want music for your video game videos, learn how to play an instrument, write a song, record it , & use it in your video. Because i have to feed my children & pay my bills with mine. thanks. It was like he said in his post "noone has intentionally done anything wrong". So, therefore, he really never said anything out of the way. Except not to use his music for public use. And that was not said out of the way. |
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Post by Dogface on Jan 22, 2009 0:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by newbachfan123 on Jan 22, 2009 1:25:00 GMT -5
I agree with heated and nasty over there. I did notice that there are a few people that agree with Baz. |
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Post by seven23 on Jan 22, 2009 3:11:52 GMT -5
Listen guys, I am not saying that torrent sites and downloading full albums and so on is ok, so dont think I support that. What I am saying, is a person uses ONE song on youtube to play in the background of a video they made, then whats the big deal? That is paying tribute to the artist, promoting that song and allowing people to hear the music while watching a cool video. I dont support full album downloads and shit like that, but I do support youtube videos that have music playing in the background. No, I do not support someone uploading one of Baz DVD's on youtube, I'm strickly talking about individual songs. I think that is great promotion for any artist. Nobody is making money off them, they are simply showing their love for a band/person by playing their music in the background.
I understand piracy is ridiculous these days, and I understand that artist are getting screwed on many sites by allowing free downloads of their albums. However, I am simply commenting on what the person in this thread did, and that I dont see a big problem with it.
Is Baz within his right feel this way? Certainly, but I think what this person did actually would help promote the music, rather than hurt Baz.
Again, this is just my opinion, and I'm not saying anyone is wrong for feeling differently.
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Post by Dogface on Jan 22, 2009 4:15:30 GMT -5
Listen guys, I am not saying that torrent sites and downloading full albums and so on is ok, so dont think I support that. What I am saying, is a person uses ONE song on youtube to play in the background of a video they made, then whats the big deal? That is paying tribute to the artist, promoting that song and allowing people to hear the music while watching a cool video. I dont support full album downloads and shit like that, but I do support youtube videos that have music playing in the background. No, I do not support someone uploading one of Baz DVD's on youtube, I'm strickly talking about individual songs. I think that is great promotion for any artist. Nobody is making money off them, they are simply showing their love for a band/person by playing their music in the background. I understand piracy is ridiculous these days, and I understand that artist are getting screwed on many sites by allowing free downloads of their albums. However, I am simply commenting on what the person in this thread did, and that I dont see a big problem with it. Is Baz within his right feel this way? Certainly, but I think what this person did actually would help promote the music, rather than hurt Baz. Again, this is just my opinion, and I'm not saying anyone is wrong for feeling differently. Ok im glad for the clarification there...and I now understand what your saying....yeah a song as a Tribute thing I can understand, and I was purely talking from a downloading full albums and stuff point of view...I guess the thing is that Baz has ALWAYS been very vocal on this issue, and I completely understand where he is coming from and I do think he is completely 100% correct...perhaps some consideration should be given if someone wants to do a tribute thing to an artist and an easy way would be to contact them and let them know...even ASK...Baz is very easy to contact and he does respond every now and then...I also know that Bara is a massive fan and would never have ment any harm to Baz in doing what he did. Bara has been on this board for a long long time so I think everyone here on the Board knows that he did it purely from a FAN point of view.....at the end of the day though, it is Sebastian's name and music we are talking about here and people should understand and respect his views on it.  |
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Post by Papillon78 on Jan 22, 2009 4:27:37 GMT -5
this is so crazy to me. i kwow you dont mean any harm in using my music for your videos, but what every person under 30, it seems like, doesnt realize: we make our living by making music. noone has the right but us , the musicians, to upload our music to the internet! it is so insane to me that anyone even wants to be in a band anymore sometimes. if you upload our song to your site why would someone go buy the cd? if they can go to your site & hear it for free ? its absolutely unbelievable. its also like beating your head against a wall. if i see any roadrage, angel down, forever wild, jcs, j &h, anything that i did not consent to be on the internet, i have it taken down. its nobodys right but mine to put my art on the internet. bootlegs are different. they are not supposed to be professional looking or sounding, so i dont really care so much about that. but if i put a cd out or a dvd , & put my name on it, it makes me furious to see it all being given away for free & there is next to nothing i can do about it. ace, you know that countdown you got goin ? add about another 10 years onto that because its shit like this that make me & alot of other musicians say "fuck this". noone has intentionally done anything wrong, its just assumed these days if you make music than it should be free. this does NOT exactly make us all run skip & jump into the studio as quick as we can. its like the dude in the white stripes said : "playing music now is like being a carpenter & all the work has left town". i would suggest if you want music for your video game videos, learn how to play an instrument, write a song, record it , & use it in your video. Because i have to feed my children & pay my bills with mine. thanks. You're right Sebastian and I truly understand why you are upset with this issue. I'm one of those old dinosaurus who still buy albums. I bought your Battle with the bottle to my computer and added it to Ipod but still I feel like I need it on a cd. I don't want to rely on computers nor Ipods, I want it on cd. I think you're very liberal with bootlegs and photos. Thanks for that. Like you said those aren't professional and quality is what it is. But those are fun to watch. Some rockers don't allow any cameras to their shows but you're very different. Thank you for that too. But I really want you to get the money so that we can listen to new Sebastian Bach stuff in the future. I'm almost 31 so I understand that. With luv, hugs and kisses! Papillon |
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Post by Papillon78 on Jan 22, 2009 4:33:34 GMT -5
Listen guys, I am not saying that torrent sites and downloading full albums and so on is ok, so dont think I support that. What I am saying, is a person uses ONE song on youtube to play in the background of a video they made, then whats the big deal? That is paying tribute to the artist, promoting that song and allowing people to hear the music while watching a cool video. I dont support full album downloads and shit like that, but I do support youtube videos that have music playing in the background. No, I do not support someone uploading one of Baz DVD's on youtube, I'm strickly talking about individual songs. I think that is great promotion for any artist. Nobody is making money off them, they are simply showing their love for a band/person by playing their music in the background. I understand piracy is ridiculous these days, and I understand that artist are getting screwed on many sites by allowing free downloads of their albums. However, I am simply commenting on what the person in this thread did, and that I dont see a big problem with it. Is Baz within his right feel this way? Certainly, but I think what this person did actually would help promote the music, rather than hurt Baz. Again, this is just my opinion, and I'm not saying anyone is wrong for feeling differently. Ok im glad for the clarification there...and I now understand what your saying....yeah a song as a Tribute thing I can understand, and I was purely talking from a downloading full albums and stuff point of view...I guess the thing is that Baz has ALWAYS been very vocal on this issue, and I completely understand where he is coming from and I do think he is completely 100% correct...perhaps some consideration should be given if someone wants to do a tribute thing to an artist and an easy way would be to contact them and let them know...even ASK...Baz is very easy to contact and he does respond every now and then...I also know that Bara is a massive fan and would never have ment any harm to Baz in doing what he did. Bara has been on this board for a long long time so I think everyone here on the Board knows that he did it purely from a FAN point of view.....at the end of the day though, it is Sebastian's name and music we are talking about here and people should understand and respect his views on it. Baranthalas is a big Sebastian fan and didn't mean to harm Sebastian. That's for sure. And even Baz knows that. |
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Post by Papillon78 on Jan 22, 2009 4:38:14 GMT -5
I agree with heated and nasty over there. I did notice that there are a few people that agree with Baz. I read 1/3 there. I just don't want to read everything cause I get so damn angry. Don't you harm our boy! Luckily there are also some smart guys agreeing with Baz. People who really think about the issue not only their own butts. |
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Post by butts on Jan 22, 2009 7:36:05 GMT -5
This is all so frustrating and it just highlights, yet again, the problems with the media in general in the way they report things, especially when we're talking about 'media' like Blabbermouth.
The way I see it, Sebastian was responding to one particular instance of how his music is being stolen, responding to the subject of this particular thread. What's being discussed here could be seen as a tip of the bloody iceberg. Dogface's response to seven23 put what Sebastian didn't happen to say THIS TIME in a (brilliant) nutshell, in my opinion, because it is the basis of the whole problem ---
Ask any kid these days playing a game - ok lets take Guitar Hero as an example...they hear a song by, say, Dragonforce off the latest GH...and they think "Wow that song is amazing im gonna check this band out"...are you seriously trying to tell me they go to a Record Store and pick up a CD, take it to the counter, hand over the $$$s and take it home and listen to it?
RUBBISH!!!!!!!!! I reckon maybe 5 - 10% of kids under 25 do that.
They get online, go to a Torrent site, find the Album, sometimes find the bands entire Discography...and they DOWNLOAD IT and put it on their iPod!!!!!!!! Now...they may not like what they hear, in which case they MIGHT delete the file....but if they DO like what they hear, then they tell ALL their friends and then proceed to either give them copies of the album, or their friends go online and do the exact same thing....YES it is promoting the Band becuse people are listening to their music and telling their friends and therefore the Band is getting more "fans" HOWEVER....are ALL of those same kids going to go to the Live Show when it hits their town AND buy a TShirt or a Poster or whatever to give the artist some INCOME?? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! In some cases yeah they might...but more than likely they are strapped for cash and you gotta buy Beer as well....AND the Band has to come to their town first...
I believe that because Sebastian didn't also bring torrent sites into his response in this one instance, he's been misconstrued and misjudged as being a bit petty, not only by seven23 but so many of the idiots on Blabbermouth as well ---again!
I'd HATE to be a celebrity and have some one thing I said to a few 'friends', who know me well, published in the media as my ONLY thoughts on the full and much bigger issue like this! You see it so often and it sucks! If I were Sebastian, I'd get as frustrated by the fall out from the comments he makes about this as the issue itself.
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Post by seven23 on Jan 22, 2009 8:31:31 GMT -5
I believe that because Sebastian didn't also bring torrent sites into his response in this one instance, he's been misconstrued and misjudged as being a bit petty, not only by seven23 but so many of the idiots on Blabbermouth as well ---again! I can't speak for those people on Blabbermouth, but Im not misjudging him at all. There is a HUGE difference between what this guy did with the youtube video and torrent sites, which is why I commented just on the youtube video. Torrent sites offer full albums and in some cases complete discography's of bands/musicians in perfect CD Quality, thats REALLY messed up. Whereas youtube allows you to post one song playing in the background of a video. The quality is pretty bad, and even though you can rip youtube vids to mp3, the sound quality just isnt worth the trouble. I'm not against Baz and his comments at all, I agree with him, I just think if he looked deeper into how the songs are being used he would understand that youtube is a great promotional site, as is myspace. Sure, some people are going to abuse this system, it goes without saying. Yes, people will download albums after hearing the song as Dogface suggested, but I also think that many people will buy the album (such as myself) after hearing it as well. Technology has hurt the music business in one sense with downloading, but it has opened the door in other ways as well. Gone are the days of having to make a bunch of tapes and drive around handing them out from the back of your car, and at shows. Now bands can literally promote and distribute music all over the world from one site, thats amazing for bands/musicians. Worldwide promotion at the click of a mouse. Look at people like Trent Reznor, instead of trying to fight the internet, he is actually trying to find ways to make it work, which is what I think every artist should do. You can fight and fight and fight, but it is a losing battle. The music world has changed and you have to get with the times. Its unfortunate in a lot of ways, but its reality, and I for one see it from both sides, how it has hurt the music business, and how it helps the music business. One thing you need to remember is as long as people are making videos playing your music, putting your music on their sites, and promoting the shit out of it you are still relevant. Its when these people stop doing this and dont care anymore that you become irrelevant. |
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Post by bachfan20 on Jan 22, 2009 8:41:45 GMT -5
This is stupid why do ignorant people have to try their best to tear up a really great guy. Who by the way has said and done nothing freaking wrong. It is his music so it should he HIS say on what is done with it. I get so angry to see people respond so stupidly and petty. It always amazes me that someone stands up for whats right and gets slayed for it, that's just crap. |
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Post by bachfan20 on Jan 22, 2009 8:46:04 GMT -5
I believe that because Sebastian didn't also bring torrent sites into his response in this one instance, he's been misconstrued and misjudged as being a bit petty, not only by seven23 but so many of the idiots on Blabbermouth as well ---again! I can't speak for those people on Blabbermouth, but Im not misjudging him at all. There is a HUGE difference between what this guy did with the youtube video and torrent sites, which is why I commented just on the youtube video. Torrent sites offer full albums and in some cases complete discography's of bands/musicians in perfect CD Quality, thats REALLY messed up. Whereas youtube allows you to post one song playing in the background of a video. The quality is pretty bad, and even though you can rip youtube vids to mp3, the sound quality just isnt worth the trouble. I'm not against Baz and his comments at all, I agree with him, I just think if he looked deeper into how the songs are being used he would understand that youtube is a great promotional site, as is myspace. Sure, some people are going to abuse this system, it goes without saying. Yes, people will download albums after hearing the song as Dogface suggested, but I also think that many people will buy the album (such as myself) after hearing it as well. Technology has hurt the music business in one sense with downloading, but it has opened the door in other ways as well. Gone are the days of having to make a bunch of tapes and drive around handing them out from the back of your car, and at shows. Now bands can literally promote and distribute music all over the world from one site, thats amazing for bands/musicians. Worldwide promotion at the click of a mouse. Look at people like Trent Reznor, instead of trying to fight the internet, he is actually trying to find ways to make it work, which is what I think every artist should do. You can fight and fight and fight, but it is a losing battle. The music world has changed and you have to get with the times. Its unfortunate in a lot of ways, but its reality, and I for one see it from both sides, how it has hurt the music business, and how it helps the music business. One thing you need to remember is as long as people are making videos playing your music, putting your music on their sites, and promoting the shit out of it you are still relevant. Its when these people stop doing this and dont care anymore that you become irrelevant. Yes you tube can be a good thing but its also a mine field where you can go in with a real player or keepvid save the video and rip the audio. The thing about fan video's with album quality sound is it basically hands it to the pirates. If you were using sub par audio then I can understand why that would be okay but to use a song of studio quality is only asking to have it swiped. I know I'm not the only one that has noticed how many copies of each video 10 freaking people have uploaded. I know Baranthalas meant no harm at all, these types of convo's always get heated. |
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Post by seven23 on Jan 22, 2009 8:46:13 GMT -5
This is stupid why do ignorant people have to try their best to tear up a really great guy. Who by the way has said and done nothing freaking wrong. It is his music so it should he HIS say on what is done with it. I get so angry to see people respond so stupidly and petty. It always amazes me that someone stands up for whats right and gets slayed for it, that's just crap. Don't pay any attention to Blabbermouth posters, they do that with any and every article posted on that site. It's a good site for news (even though they do twist the headline sometimes to make it more of a story), but I dont even read the responses anymore, its ridiculous how they bash bands/musicians on there. |
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