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Post by butts on Jan 22, 2009 8:48:41 GMT -5
I believe that because Sebastian didn't also bring torrent sites into his response in this one instance, he's been misconstrued and misjudged as being a bit petty, not only by seven23 but so many of the idiots on Blabbermouth as well ---again! I can't speak for those people on Blabbermouth, but Im not misjudging him at all. There is a HUGE difference between what this guy did with the youtube video and torrent sites, which is why I commented just on the youtube video. Torrent sites offer full albums and in some cases complete discography's of bands/musicians in perfect CD Quality, thats REALLY messed up. Whereas youtube allows you to post one song playing in the background of a video. The quality is pretty bad, and even though you can rip youtube vids to mp3, the sound quality just isnt worth the trouble. I'm not against Baz and his comments at all, I agree with him, I just think if he looked deeper into how the songs are being used he would understand that youtube is a great promotional site, as is myspace. Sure, some people are going to abuse this system, it goes without saying. Yes, people will download albums after hearing the song as Dogface suggested, but I also think that many people will buy the album (such as myself) after hearing it as well. Technology has hurt the music business in one sense with downloading, but it has opened the door in other ways as well. Gone are the days of having to make a bunch of tapes and drive around handing them out from the back of your car, and at shows. Now bands can literally promote and distribute music all over the world from one site, thats amazing for bands/musicians. Worldwide promotion at the click of a mouse. Look at people like Trent Reznor, instead of trying to fight the internet, he is actually trying to find ways to make it work, which is what I think every artist should do. You can fight and fight and fight, but it is a losing battle. The music world has changed and you have to get with the times. Its unfortunate in a lot of ways, but its reality, and I for one see it from both sides, how it has hurt the music business, and how it helps the music business. One thing you need to remember is as long as people are making videos playing your music, putting your music on their sites, and promoting the shit out of it you are still relevant. Its when these people stop doing this and dont care anymore that you become irrelevant. Sorry seven23 but I have to comment again. If you'd followed what Sebastian has been saying and doing as closely as many of us on the Message Board have, you'd know that he knows all of what you are saying too. Why else would he have his My Space site, Reverbnation, Twitter, his own TV site now - Blip.TV - and so many others. He knows the Internet is a great promotional tool and uses it widely. And most of all, as regards You Tube, he knows that too. Why else would he ask the audience to get their mobile phones out to record his songs and put them up on You Tube himself?? He's NOT a fool. And he lets us post You Tube videos on here as well. Why would he do that if he didn't appreciate what the vids can do for him? That's not specifically what he was talking about in this post either. I don't mean to offend you with any of my posts, by the way. I just don't think you understand Sebastian's whole thinking on this issue. You only seem to have seen one part of it. |
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Post by southernkitty69 on Jan 22, 2009 10:38:48 GMT -5
I agree that baranthalas is a devoted fan of Baz and never sought any harm to him. The public just needs to be more aware and responsible about the rights of a musical artist. Music piracy and video piracy has done alot of damage to the relationships between musical artists and the public. It's those that exploit and misuse their work that is at the root of the problem.. I think the public just needs to be more mindful that CD's and Videos that are copyrighted by an artist are NOT free domain. The best way to show your respect and love for a musical artist is to help PROTECT his materials. Denounce and report piracy, and continue to purchase his albums and videos. One of the very best ways to support Baz's work and efforts is to purchase his songs, CD's and videos rather than rip them from an illegit site for free.
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Post by fanglette on Jan 22, 2009 15:00:44 GMT -5
What about stuff like the 'picture gallery' videos you sometimes see on Youtube, where people have put images/video clips of the artist together over a track using home studio equipment. Is this the digital equivalent of fan-art, or does it result in potentially lost income for the artist concerned (and the photographer/filming company etc. etc.)? I've never done one myself, but there are loads of them around! I don't want to watch something that takes away from Sebastian's income!  So... does anyone know the answer to this? As for Blabbermouth - it's just like them to jump on a strongly worded statement. A lot of the posters on there are probably the people who spend their lives downloading illegal films/music etc! Good to see so many people have agreed with Baz! Fx |
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Post by Dogface on Jan 22, 2009 15:43:22 GMT -5
Ok you know what? I would like to know how Blabbermouth got wind of what was going on over here at the Board....im a little pissed off right now, because Blabbermouth gets the majority of its "gossip" stories (and this is one of those) from the public who submit the stories to them...so unfortunately I can only assume that someone reading the Board has sent it to them.....and now its caused alot of grief....im not accusing anyone, I have no idea how Blabbermouth got onto this, but its disapointing and shouldnt have happened, becuase not only are they trying to make Baz look bad, but its also involving Baranthalas as well, whom we all know here is a huge fan. This should have just stayed on the Board.  |
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Post by bachfan20 on Jan 22, 2009 15:46:43 GMT -5
Ok you know what? I would like to know how Blabbermouth got wind of what was going on over here at the Board....im a little pissed off right now, because Blabbermouth gets the majority of its "gossip" stories (and this is one of those) from the public who submit the stories to them...so unfortunately I can only assume that someone reading the Board has sent it to them.....and now its caused alot of grief....im not accusing anyone, I have no idea how Blabbermouth got onto this, but its disapointing and shouldnt have happened. I was wondering about that too!! They should NOT be able to pull stuff off of an artist board. What a mess!! |
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Post by rocknrollmom on Jan 22, 2009 16:10:06 GMT -5
Ok you know what? I would like to know how Blabbermouth got wind of what was going on over here at the Board....im a little pissed off right now, because Blabbermouth gets the majority of its "gossip" stories (and this is one of those) from the public who submit the stories to them...so unfortunately I can only assume that someone reading the Board has sent it to them.....and now its caused alot of grief....im not accusing anyone, I have no idea how Blabbermouth got onto this, but its disapointing and shouldnt have happened. I was wondering about that too!! They should NOT be able to pull stuff off of an artist board. What a mess!! Baz made his statement in a public forum. Anyone can join. Who is to say that a member of Blabbermouth is not also a member of this forum. We have a lot of readers who never post. Blabbermouth gets most of their materials from artist's message boards or tips sent in by fans. I am sure they have employees who are paid just to surf the music message boards. It is a fact of the internet, if you put something up there, someone is bound to take it for their use. As far as this goes, there are a lot of people over at Blabbermouth who are agreeing with Sebastian. As for the controversy, there is no such thing as bad publicity. It has put Sebastian's name out there. |
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Post by fanglette on Jan 22, 2009 16:39:38 GMT -5
I know this is a public forum, but it just seems rude to lift stuff straight from here - including references to Baranthalas and Ace. True though, it's all publicity for Baz!  |
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Post by bachfan20 on Jan 22, 2009 17:21:49 GMT -5
I was wondering about that too!! They should NOT be able to pull stuff off of an artist board. What a mess!! Baz made his statement in a public forum. Anyone can join. Who is to say that a member of Blabbermouth is not also a member of this forum. We have a lot of readers who never post. Blabbermouth gets most of their materials from artist's message boards or tips sent in by fans. I am sure they have employees who are paid just to surf the music message boards. It is a fact of the internet, if you put something up there, someone is bound to take it for their use. As far as this goes, there are a lot of people over at Blabbermouth who are agreeing with Sebastian. As for the controversy, there is no such thing as bad publicity. It has put Sebastian's name out there. Good point Rocknrollmom! I'm just still naive I guess, this stuff always surprises me. I know it shouldn't but it does. |
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Post by Dogface on Jan 22, 2009 18:19:42 GMT -5
I was wondering about that too!! They should NOT be able to pull stuff off of an artist board. What a mess!! Baz made his statement in a public forum. Anyone can join. Who is to say that a member of Blabbermouth is not also a member of this forum. We have a lot of readers who never post. Blabbermouth gets most of their materials from artist's message boards or tips sent in by fans. I am sure they have employees who are paid just to surf the music message boards. It is a fact of the internet, if you put something up there, someone is bound to take it for their use. As far as this goes, there are a lot of people over at Blabbermouth who are agreeing with Sebastian. As for the controversy, there is no such thing as bad publicity. It has put Sebastian's name out there. Yeah all that is true R&R Mom, I still dont agree with the way it was done, and, while not wanting to start trouble, I still reckon somebody has tipped them off....anyway its out there now so nothing can be done about it. This makes me understand more why Sebastian dosent reply to many posts on here, for anything he says can be taken way out of context and attempted to make him out to be the "bad" guy.... |
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Post by bachhostess on Jan 22, 2009 18:24:24 GMT -5
It is a shame how everything is be mistaken and mistreated.
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Post by butts on Jan 22, 2009 20:11:29 GMT -5
Yes, speak to us baranthalas buddy! We know you meant Sebastian no harm. What are your thoughts on all of this? |
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Post by jojo711 on Jan 23, 2009 2:13:46 GMT -5
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Post by jojo711 on Jan 23, 2009 2:37:12 GMT -5
i just wanted to add that in that last paragraph where it says and sebastian writes on his official website etc etc....i don't recall him having that on his website  jojo |
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Post by baranthalas on Jan 23, 2009 2:57:14 GMT -5
first of all, lol i am famous my name is on internet  secondly, baz i used your music for two reasons: 1- i fuckin love them 2- most of the kids these days have no idea about skid row. when i posted my video i got hunders of messages/ comments like "whoaoa who is this guy/band they are fuckin great". what i wanted to do is use the song i love and also promote them. if you have played world of warcraft you could see that the game is full of kids who are 13-14 years old. it is like 60% of the players. i just wanted to introduce them to the best music in the world. also, i m not going to earn money from my videos. they are just for fun. i lower the quality of the sound on my videos so that people wont download the video and rip the sound. thanks for the answer tho baz. but you didnt have to be so harsh, i just wanted to know who is in charge of the copyright thingy.. |
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Post by newbachfan123 on Jan 23, 2009 3:04:19 GMT -5
first of all, lol i am famous my name is on internet secondly, baz i used your music for two reasons: 1- i fuckin love them 2- most of the kids these days have no idea about skid row. when i posted my video i got hunders of messages/ comments like "whoaoa who is this guy/band they are fuckin great". what i wanted to do is use the song i love and also promote them. if you have played world of warcraft you could see that the game is full of kids who are 13-14 years old. it is like 60% of the players. i just wanted to introduce them to the best music in the world. also, i m not going to earn money from my videos. they are just for fun. i lower the quality of the sound on my videos so that people wont download the video and rip the sound. thanks for the answer tho baz. but you didnt have to be so harsh, i just wanted to know who is in charge of the copyright thingy.. I don't think he was being harsh. He was just be up front and honest with you, as any friend would. Even though, some people like to take things the wrong way, you have to respect his views on things as well. But I am sure you would rather hear it from him yourself. So, I'll just leave it at that. Thanks for responding back to this thread.  |
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Post by baranthalas on Jan 23, 2009 3:10:00 GMT -5
btw, i m so pissed about blabermouth. they are lurking in the forum just like a fuckin ninja and make such a big drama about a single question.
that should stay in the family. it is very wrong to make it public..
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Post by newbachfan123 on Jan 23, 2009 3:13:25 GMT -5
btw, i m so pissed about blabermouth. they are lurking in the forum just like a fuckin ninja and make such a big drama about a single question. that should stay in the family. it is very wrong to make it public.. Very true. My advise, next time just send a pm. You just might get lucky enough to get a personal response. But who knows. |
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Post by baranthalas on Jan 23, 2009 3:17:38 GMT -5
it was just a question about who has the rights for the old skid row songs. if knew this would happen i wouldnt even post it.
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Post by Papillon78 on Jan 23, 2009 4:15:53 GMT -5
it was just a question about who has the rights for the old skid row songs. if knew this would happen i wouldnt even post it. I know that. That's why I defended you. Nice to see you bach here anyways! |
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Post by baranthalas on Jan 23, 2009 4:41:19 GMT -5
thanks and btw, i dont want my name to be in that blabermouth "news". what should i do to make blabbermouth remove that article ? |
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Post by butts on Jan 23, 2009 5:43:20 GMT -5
You're a legend Baran. I love your wry sense of humour on the Board!!  Have you tried e-mailing Blabbermouth? Here's their address --- bmouth@bellatlantic.net. Not that it'll probably do much good. They're idiots and, as rocknrollmom said, this is a public forum, so anyone can pull anything from it. But it's worth a try. Good luck!  |
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Post by baranthalas on Jan 23, 2009 6:08:23 GMT -5
great thanks for the e-mail adress and kind words i've sent baz a pm and tried to clear things up. i hope he reads it. anyways, i m going to send blabermouth an email when i come back from uni. i have exam in 20 mins. i need to write all the answers on my arm |
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Post by butts on Jan 23, 2009 6:36:06 GMT -5
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Post by baranthalas on Jan 23, 2009 15:29:43 GMT -5
exam was flawless lol
i sent BM an email but not sure if they will read it even..
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Post by Katkick on Jan 23, 2009 15:50:04 GMT -5
exam was flawless lol i sent BM an email but not sure if they will read it even.. They read them Congratulations on your exam * |
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Post by rocknrollmom on Jan 23, 2009 15:59:56 GMT -5
i just wanted to add that in that last paragraph where it says and sebastian writes on his official website etc etc....i don't recall him having that on his website jojo It's there JoJo. If you read Baz's response on this thread. |
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Post by southernkitty69 on Jan 23, 2009 19:31:30 GMT -5
Baranthalas has always been a sweetie.. I hope he aces that exam |
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Post by jojo711 on Jan 25, 2009 2:21:36 GMT -5
yep peggy i caught it, went back to the beginning and read thru.
thanks, jojo
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Post by Metalbrat on Jan 31, 2009 21:42:23 GMT -5
this is so crazy to me. i kwow you dont mean any harm in using my music for your videos, but what every person under 30, it seems like, doesnt realize: we make our living by making music. noone has the right but us , the musicians, to upload our music to the internet! it is so insane to me that anyone even wants to be in a band anymore sometimes. if you upload our song to your site why would someone go buy the cd? if they can go to your site & hear it for free ? its absolutely unbelievable. its also like beating your head against a wall. if i see any roadrage, angel down, forever wild, jcs, j &h, anything that i did not consent to be on the internet, i have it taken down. its nobodys right but mine to put my art on the internet. bootlegs are different. they are not supposed to be professional looking or sounding, so i dont really care so much about that. but if i put a cd out or a dvd , & put my name on it, it makes me furious to see it all being given away for free & there is next to nothing i can do about it. ace, you know that countdown you got goin ? add about another 10 years onto that because its shit like this that make me & alot of other musicians say "fuck this". noone has intentionally done anything wrong, its just assumed these days if you make music than it should be free. this does NOT exactly make us all run skip & jump into the studio as quick as we can. its like the dude in the white stripes said : "playing music now is like being a carpenter & all the work has left town". i would suggest if you want music for your video game videos, learn how to play an instrument, write a song, record it , & use it in your video. Because i have to feed my children & pay my bills with mine. thanks. Its totally understandable. And it is true. Us 'older' (over 30, ok over '40' for some), understand the whole deal. But kids now, born with an internet, etc., have no idea. And they won't until they have to make the money for their family. (which nowadays gets harder and harder). in the 'old' days, u made tapes of lps, or 45s, and usually it was a 'lousy' tape that no one could ever sell, and if you heard it on the radio, (oh yeah BEFORE MTV, VH1, CMT, etc), thats how u knew if you wanted it or not and you went and bought the record. People think because u 'perform' for a living, that you shouldn't collect the money you earn. Think of creating a beautiful painting, and putting in online. Nowadays you can get canvas for the printer, and or print it as a lithograph and sell it online. Yeah, its meant to be a form of 'praise', but not when its your livelyhood and how you survive. Whether online or not, not everything is for the taking and NOTHING in life is FREE. He may love what he does, but thats also his 'job' and NOBODY does their JOB for the hell of it when they have to live their lives and support themselves and their families. Sebastian has put stuff up that 'is' for us to use, (amazing grace for one), and songs on myspace that can be 'added' to profiles because he allows it on his settings. So he has every right to do what he has to do to protect his business. (He can't say come tax time, uh, i'm a 'rock star' I don't have to pay taxes cause I give away my music for free).  |
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Post by Metalbrat on Jan 31, 2009 21:45:20 GMT -5
Common sense, if its copyrighted, you can't use it WITHOUT permission from the owner. If you ask and get permission, fine, if not, better STOP. |
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If not Sebastian I'm sorry and you can take it down or email me and I'll delete it.
Have you tried e-mailing Blabbermouth? Here's their address --- bmouth@bellatlantic.net. 
