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Post by butts on Jan 8, 2009 7:11:51 GMT -5
I'm referring to the new video he's put up of himself and John Rich shooting something on his official site -- www.sebastianbach.com/ Can anyone pick up what it is he says they're shooting?  |
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Post by AussieGirl on Jan 8, 2009 7:36:44 GMT -5
I'm referring to the new video he's put up of himself and John Rich shooting something on his official site -- www.sebastianbach.com/ Can anyone pick up what it is he says they're shooting? Well sound like to me that Sebastian says shooting turtles can we stick it on the grill and then John Rich says I do not eat reptiles... Sorry have to admit that video disturbs me... I see no point in killing defenseless animals like turtle it is one thing killing something you are gonna eat & at least stands a chance to get away from you but a Turtle I thought they where protected... and secondly shooting across water and at water is dangerous someone could have been hurt.... sorry but I am totally shocked with this video... |
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Post by butts on Jan 8, 2009 8:25:25 GMT -5
And what, pray tell, is a BB gun Katkick? If the poor thing was still moving and he took another shot to make sure of his 'kill', sounds like he meant business to me. And Sebastian wanted to eat it so I assume that means HE thought it was dead anyway.
It's a "way of life" for soldiers to go out anc kill people too. Does that make it right???
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Post by AussieGirl on Jan 8, 2009 9:10:37 GMT -5
Ok I do get we will all have different opinions on this... and I do not want to start trouble and understand it maybe is not the place but hey he posted it on his site.... so I have to say I also understand the gun life style... I am a shooter myself I belonged to a gun club use to shoot at least twice a week... but gun laws here and my Children coming along (as I would never have guns around children) I no longer shoot however I live in the Australian Bush... all though we do not have property ourselves... I have friends that are farmers and what not... I know guns have a place, they need them to put injured animals out of there misery and to kill dangerous animals and yeah sometimes their live stock before they eat them hey it is the way the world works, but a turtle for god sake it is not a sport a sport is the thrill of the chase the animal standing a chance of getting away... Turtles are an easy target and no skill in that... also understand people kill them for food... but there are more human ways to kill a turtle... I mean shooting a turtle the turtle may just get wounded and sink to the bottom of water and die slowly cause it cannot eat and breath properly... that to me is just cruel..
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Post by butts on Jan 8, 2009 9:17:01 GMT -5
Maybe I should explain why I'm so angry too. I also do not like causing trouble and I just know what's being written here probably will and will probably get deleted as soon as someone who can logs onto the Board.
The number one thing that makes me angry in this world is grown adults hurting innocents. By innocents I mean those that have no chance of protecting themselves or fighting back when an adult -- especially one with a gun that nothing has a chance of defending itself against when one is aimed at it to kill -- decides on a whim to do harm to them. Children and animals fall smack bang into that category and, as far as I'm concerned, there's just no excuse for it, other than the ones aussiegirl mentioned as far as animals are concerned. Or in self-defence if necessary. But that's it.
And I'll fight anybody that harms an innocent for a bit of fun, even Sebastian Bach.
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Post by Sebastian Bach on Jan 8, 2009 10:42:12 GMT -5
ummm.... how do you know he hit anything?
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Post by bachfan20 on Jan 8, 2009 14:05:10 GMT -5
It just looks like they were having fun. If John really wanted to he could have hit it but John doesn't strike me as the kind of person to kill things for fun. Just a couple a boys having fun.  |
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Post by bachfan20 on Jan 8, 2009 14:07:24 GMT -5
Sopa de Pedra (Rock Soup) 2 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil (EVOO), plus more for drizzling 1/2 pound rocks (about 12) * 2 large baking potatoes, peeled and cut into cubes 4 ribs celery, chopped 3 to 4 carrots, chopped 1 large onion, chopped 2 to 3 cloves garlic, chopped 1 bay leaf Salt and pepper One 15.5-ounce can chickpeas, drained 1 teaspoon sweet smoked paprika 6 cups chicken broth One 15-ounce can diced tomatoes or tomato sauce 2 tablespoons hot pepper sauce 2 cups cubed stale bread Chopped flat-leaf parsley, for garnish * ( name has been changed to protect the innocent)  sorry, I had to do it.. lol (btw.. that really IS the name of this recipie, chicken is used in place of the rocks however) * My Hubby loves turtle soup that and craw fish which are common in natural lakes and streams. |
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Post by fanglette on Jan 8, 2009 14:41:15 GMT -5
I'm not 'into' hunting myself, but I realise that it's the norm in some places - especially for food (turtles included), and I reckon anyone experienced in shooting would make sure anything they did hit was actually dead and not just wounded. I would hope that Baz and John would do just that (if anything did get hit). Fanglette x |
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Post by wildhorse on Jan 8, 2009 15:08:24 GMT -5
I thought maybe they were combining fishing with hunting. maybe catfish.
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Post by Dogface on Jan 8, 2009 17:20:11 GMT -5
Yeah...not a fan of guns...hate them. I understand they have a purporse on a farm and in the bush etc but being a boy from the suburbs ive never held one and i only see their purpose as a killing machine...thats just me.
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Post by butts on Jan 8, 2009 17:42:43 GMT -5
ummm.... how do you know he hit anything? It's the intention that counts! |
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Post by Papillon78 on Jan 8, 2009 18:22:22 GMT -5
I'm from Lapland and I have held a shot gun and a rifle but I haven't shot any animal, only target plates. My father still has his mora (knife) in his car so that he can kill the animal if one gets hurt in a car accident, with this mainly I mean reindeers and hairs. Like I've told you before we used to own reindeers and dad has killed thousands of reindeers. I'm not joking. Like he sais he made an agreement with animals he doesn't kill them anymore (over 15 years) or eat their hay and animals don't eat his his food. He only does fishing these days. He has taught me to respect the nature and always while we were having a dinner and when I refused to eat the food he said: you're not leaving this table before you have eaten your meat (not to waste it). I understand that hunting and fishing are hobbies but in my opinion those people really need to follow rules and morality. I don't like that wounded animals are left to suffer or shot just for fun and not having any intention to eat the meat. In some cases I see that people need to kill animals more than they propably will eat like ratts, rabbits etc because of the harm they cause. I watched that clip many times but I didn't get the idea what they are doing. Why to shoot to the water? Don't they use different kind of methods with the water animals? Here in Finland we only shoot to the water when it's "duck time". I don't know what kind of water animals you have there in your lakes. Like we have heard Sebastian was raised by hippie parents and before didn't like the idea of shooting animals at all. When he or his friend does that, I'm pretty sure that he has high moralilty while killing animals and want to do it right way. I don't believe that Baz would laugh and have fun with a guy who just shoots around and harms animals. OOPS sorry I don't mean to preach or anything but I love animals...  PS: Let's not talk about furs.  That's the subject when I can't shut up at all. |
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Post by butts on Jan 8, 2009 18:36:53 GMT -5
Well said Papillon. As to the last part of your post --
"Like we have heard Sebastian was raised by hippie parents and before didn't like the idea of shooting animals at all. When he or his friend does that, I'm pretty sure that he has high moralilty while killing animals and want to do it right way.
I don't believe that Baz would laugh and have fun with a guy who just shoots around and harms animals. "
-- that's what I thought too until now. I'd still like to believe it but that clip makes it hard to.
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Post by Acekicken on Jan 8, 2009 20:09:26 GMT -5
#1 Killing animals is as old as time. #2 If you own leather anything your wearing animal #3 I still saw nothing fall #4 THERE is ad least 1 board member here who feeds his family from dead animals  |
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Post by butts on Jan 8, 2009 20:21:09 GMT -5
Good grief Ace. Sorry but this is about shooting animals for fun -- not to feed the family, which I agree has been going on forever. That's a different thing entirely and understandable if you need to do that.
And as to wearing leather, I'm of the same opinion as another poster on the Board. If an animal has been killed, for eating or making clothing, it's better to at least make that animal's death worthwhile by making use of it's carcass. It's a respect thing.
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Post by Acekicken on Jan 8, 2009 20:51:11 GMT -5
Good grief Ace. Sorry but this is about shooting animals for fun -- not to feed the family, which I agree has been going on forever. That's a different thing entirely and understandable if you need to do that. And as to wearing leather, I'm of the same opinion as another poster on the Board. If an animal has been killed, for eating or making clothing, it's better to at least make that animal's death worthwhile by making use of it's carcass. It's a respect thing. Im sure that animal is feeling the respect for it's hide. Or the lucky rabbit's foot hmm how lucky was that rabbit. Animals are slaughtered everyday & most people would say not in a humane way. Yet most don't mind when they show up through the drive through of the local burger king. |
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Post by butts on Jan 8, 2009 21:11:02 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said Ace. What I'm saying is that it all comes down to the person's intention and purpose in killing an animal i.e. whether it's for fun or not.
I'd also like to add to something I said earlier in another post that may have offended some people and which I didn't explain at the time. That was the comment about soldiers killing being a way of life and that not making it right.
I actually feel a great deal of compassion and respect for those soldiers fighting wars to defend the innocent victims of cruel dictators out there and out of a sense of duty to their country. Self-defence comes into it too. Again, it's the intention behind why people do the things they do and their purpose in doing it.
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Post by butts on Jan 8, 2009 22:36:58 GMT -5
ummm.... how do you know he hit anything? To respond clearly to this and to make it clear to everyone else why I've taken the stance I have, this is what you hear on the video. JR takes three shots and then asks, "Did you see him fall?" Then, "He's still moving." Someone else, "Ah, get him." JR takes another shot and then Sebastian pipes up with, "Can we put him on a grill?" JR, "No." Sebastian, "Why not? Put him on a grill dude. We're having turtle!" Ha ha ha. JR, "I don't eat reptile." So there you have it. Why would something "fall" after being shot at three times and then someone take another shot to "get it" because it's still moving if the aim wasn't to kill it? And why would you, Sebastian, assume something could be put on a grill and eaten if it wasn't dead? And JR's aim in shooting it was obviously not to do so for food when he says he doesn't eat reptile. And you, dear Sebastian, did seem to be impressed by JR's marksmanship (understandable) and enjoying the whole thing (not understandable). It's all there in the video. OK. I've made all my points and I'm sure you'll all be glad to hear that, unless Sebastian himself deigns to answer this, I really don't want to say anymore on the matter. Maybe not even then. More than enough has been said already, by me in particular, I'm sure you'll all agree. Peace. |
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Post by Papillon78 on Jan 9, 2009 4:38:45 GMT -5
ummm.... how do you know he hit anything? To respond clearly to this and to make it clear to everyone else why I've taken the stance I have, this is what you hear on the video. JR takes three shots and then asks, "Did you see him fall?" Then, "He's still moving." Someone else, "Ah, get him." JR takes another shot and then Sebastian pipes up with, "Can we put him on a grill?" JR, "No." Sebastian, "Why not? Put him on a grill dude. We're having turtle!" Ha ha ha. JR, "I don't eat reptile." I didn't hear it so well. Thanks for that. I hope they did check the animal afterwards...  It's the same thing with a neighbour boy or a country star / a rock star but I don't like it IF that animal is shot around for fun and let to suffer. What a waste. Why does it need to be hurt - is it just so cool. I really don't think so. But yes some people do shoot cats, birds because it's legal if it's enough far from the houses. And they do it cause that's fun too. How brave boys those are. NOT. |
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Post by Papillon78 on Jan 9, 2009 6:13:25 GMT -5
Good grief Ace. Sorry but this is about shooting animals for fun -- not to feed the family, which I agree has been going on forever. That's a different thing entirely and understandable if you need to do that. And as to wearing leather, I'm of the same opinion as another poster on the Board. If an animal has been killed, for eating or making clothing, it's better to at least make that animal's death worthwhile by making use of it's carcass. It's a respect thing. Im sure that animal is feeling the respect for it's hide. Or the lucky rabbit's foot hmm how lucky was that rabbit. Animals are slaughtered everyday & most people would say not in a humane way. Yet most don't mind when they show up through the drive through of the local burger king. Like you said animals are slaughtered everyday and most people would say not in a humane way. Yet most don't mind whe they show up through the of the burger place. - That's sad. But it doesn't mean that others too have to close their eyes. It's about your own choices. That's one reason why I prefer game, reindeer and elk meat. I'm pretty picky what meat I buy, and more fish less red meat. |
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Post by Acekicken on Jan 9, 2009 8:04:02 GMT -5
Im sure that animal is feeling the respect for it's hide. Or the lucky rabbit's foot hmm how lucky was that rabbit. Animals are slaughtered everyday & most people would say not in a humane way. Yet most don't mind when they show up through the drive through of the local burger king. Like you said animals are slaughtered everyday and most people would say not in a humane way. Yet most don't mind whe they show up through the of the burger place. - That's sad. But it doesn't mean that others too have to close their eyes. It's about your own choices. That's one reason why I prefer game, reindeer and elk meat. I'm pretty picky what meat I buy, and more fish less red meat. I to am pretty picky about the red meat that I eat especially since Im the one who cuts it for a living. Meat Cutter by day Martial Arts instructor by night. This subject hit's home,since if not for dead animals there might not be a roof over my family's head,clothes on my kids back & food on the table. |
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Post by Papillon78 on Jan 9, 2009 9:38:08 GMT -5
Like you said animals are slaughtered everyday and most people would say not in a humane way. Yet most don't mind whe they show up through the of the burger place. - That's sad. But it doesn't mean that others too have to close their eyes. It's about your own choices. That's one reason why I prefer game, reindeer and elk meat. I'm pretty picky what meat I buy, and more fish less red meat. I to am pretty picky about the red meat that I eat especially since Im the one who cuts it for a living. Meat Cutter by day Martial Arts instructor by night. This subject hit's home,since if not for dead animals there might not be a roof over my family's head,clothes on my kids back & food on the table. As I said before I really do understand that. My own dad has owned those reindeers and slaughtered them and that was his income for several years. I've been around slaughter time during ages 4-8 I stopped then cause I couldn't take it anymore. It needs to be done cause otherwise some of them would starve to death during winter time, there's no enough food for all of them and it's a living too. Grandad drove a tractor there (heads, stomachs, intestines needed to be buried) and grandmom collected blood and made sausages of it. Dad loves animals but he wouldn't ever hesitate to kill my dog if it's needed. I mean in a case of emergency when vet is not around and it's too much pain. He owns three papillons too. Well I can't forget my own hubby - if he sees a wounded elk, deer, hair etc he will shoot it right away. He's a cop and he kind of does that for living too. We really need those kind of people who can kill animals. If I ever drove over an animal - what the heck I could do - cry??!! And that's a big help. My friend is a vet and she's been working in a cow and pig slaughter houses. So I know pretty closely that area too, haven't seen it but I wanted to know even that it makes me feel sad and bad. I'm so damn satisfied that we have pretty strict laws with these things here in Finland compared to many other Europian countries. |
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Post by bachfan20 on Jan 9, 2009 10:16:20 GMT -5
Like you said animals are slaughtered everyday and most people would say not in a humane way. Yet most don't mind whe they show up through the of the burger place. - That's sad. But it doesn't mean that others too have to close their eyes. It's about your own choices. That's one reason why I prefer game, reindeer and elk meat. I'm pretty picky what meat I buy, and more fish less red meat. I to am pretty picky about the red meat that I eat especially since Im the one who cuts it for a living. Meat Cutter by day Martial Arts instructor by night. This subject hit's home,since if not for dead animals there might not be a roof over my family's head,clothes on my kids back & food on the table. Ace how cool! My Hubby's a meat cutter by trade as well. He was trained in a slaughter house, thats where he started. He now works in retail meat cutting. |
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Post by Katkick on Jan 9, 2009 11:35:19 GMT -5
It seems I've offended a few,... my intention was just to make a joke, not to offend anyone ... I've taken all my comments from this thread. ~many apologies to anyone I've offended.  I really think they were fooling around (imo) with a bb-gun/ rifle, and certianly they wouldn't leave any creature with harm done (edit) to linger. |
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Post by wildhorse on Jan 9, 2009 13:28:39 GMT -5
I know Tennessee has lots of black snakes too. God I hate even saying or writing the word. Big phobia.
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Post by newbachfan123 on Jan 11, 2009 6:06:35 GMT -5
Not to make anyone upset, but Katkick, I did like the video. I thought it was kind of funny. It seems to me that Sebastian wanted all of us to have a good laugh. Who has ever heard of cooking a turtle on a grill? Think about it....barbQ turtle. It appears that BAZ just wanted to add a little humor without hitting any soft spots. No harm done. Everyone has different opinions on the gun and animal issues. |
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Post by Katkick on Jan 11, 2009 14:03:10 GMT -5
Not to make anyone upset, but Katkick, I did like the video. I thought it was kind of funny. It seems to me that Sebastian wanted all of us to have a good laugh. Who has ever heard of cooking a turtle on a grill? Think about it....barbQ turtle. It appears that BAZ just wanted to add a little humor without hitting any soft spots. No harm done. Everyone has different opinions on the gun and animal issues. yeah |
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