trej
Youth Gone Wild
Rock should be spelled BACH...... Bach n?Roll
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Post by trej on Jul 26, 2009 7:47:17 GMT -5
Hmm, interesting discussion. I'm thinking that Sebastian not working with the guitarists that metal4life mentioned, and others of that generation, is based on the assumption that they haven't evolved as well. (Not by you Fanglette, but generally speaking.) Maybe they have too, and want to evolve even moreso, just like Sebastian does. And their experience would bring a lot to the table. Maybe Sebastian's choices are more to do with the type of music he's into himself currently --- that he's choosing from people whom he likes himself at this point in time, pure and simple. "Evolving as musicians".... that's sounds like an expression coined by a record company executive who's looking for the "next big thing".... Maybe it's just me, but in the musical culture i come from, tradition is wayyyy more important than "originality"... I'd rather listen to Beethoven's 5th or Paganini's 24 caprices for the 1000th time than some shitty-ass new music that's passed off as "original" ... Might as well listen to the one-legged banjo player on Park street if ur looking for "original" music... What's originality anyway?? It's just an excuse for the record companies to discover a new sound which is then turned into a trend. Then after they have milked that trend dry, they look for a "new" trend again, leaving talented musicians in the gutter broke, with nothing but scraps to feed off.....  That's why in 2009 Coldplay is selling out stadiums and a real talent like sebastian is struggling to make and meet..... Until the middle of the 20th century, music was all about "tradition".... but suddenly with the major record labels gaining control... the focus shifted to "originality"..... and today gimmicky bands are doing anything to be original..... Can u imagine a sober Aerosmith?? or a sober rolling stone.....?? or Pantera reuniting without Dimebag darrell?? Can u imagine Judas priest wearing anything but leather on stage?? Can u imagine Iron Maiden without Eddie?? Can u imagine Thanksgiving without turkey?? Can u imagine 4th of July without apple pie?? well, I can't..Bcoz some things shouldn't and musn't change..... So i'm sorry, but if evolving means changing into something i'm not, then count me out... I remember baz proudly claiming in an interview that he "hasn't changed for better or worse" and that he said "this is what i'll be for the rest of my life"..... I hope he still lives by that credo..... I will always love baz.... but when i think of baz.... i will always associate him with a certain sound......... and that's what i expect from him........ How can you expect that? If there is something sebastian has shown us, in his career, it is that he can´t be put in a sertain box. Nobody ever knows what he does next. And don´t you think that someone can be a better musician? And don´t you think that sebastian has evolved since the Skid row days? Just wondering ;D |
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Post by butts on Jul 26, 2009 8:06:08 GMT -5
Sorry metal4life but I agree with the others. I think you're maybe reading way too much into Sebastian's motivations for the choices he's making and the musicians he's choosing to work with. One thing I've learned from following Sebastian over the years is that, as he constantly says, he gets BORED very easily. And people like that are ALWAYS looking for something NEW. The last thing they want to do is live in the past and repeat themselves over and over. I'm the same so I know where he's coming from, lol. And if you're worried about him working with Jamey Jasta and sounding like Hatebreed now, all you've got to do is listen to the studio update he gave us of a track for the new CD to KNOW that he is NOT aiming to sound like Hatebreed. He still wants to sound like Sebastian Bach and no-one else. Here's a link to the studio update so you can hear that for yourself ---- blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=54524288&blogId=487198529I think from reading your posts that you really care about Sebastian and his music and don't mean to put him down, but I really do think you are worrying way too much and probably for nothing.  Just listen to that studio update and put your mind at rest. |
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Post by fanglette on Jul 26, 2009 15:49:51 GMT -5
Whatever happens, it's Sebastian's music, and his life, so he can do whatever he wants! ~just sayin'~
I'm sure he's not suddenly going to get an emover haircut and turn into My Chemical Romance (apologies to anyone who likes MCR, but they were the most opposite of Baz I could think of!), but unless a band or artist wants to just keep playing their old hits over and over again forever and not write anything new, the music needs to grow and evolve so that it continues to be fresh. That doesn't mean it will automatically fall victim to fashion.
I think Baz is looking for people to apply for the jobs who know that he has a career beyond Skid Row, and who can bring something new to the mix, which is probably why he doesn't want to hear SR songs on audition tapes.
It must be really irritating for him when people continue to associate him solely with work he did 20 years ago. I'm not surprised if he's looking to distance himself a little from Skid Row. The SR 'brand' is pretty much ruined now, as it just doesn't work without Baz, and I think he just wants to establish himself in the eyes of the rest of the world as Sebastian Bach - in his own right, not solely as the ex-Skid Row singer. We, his fans, already see him that way, but there are a lot of people out there who aren't quite ready in their minds to see him as an artist in his own right. He's most of the way there, since Angel Down was so good, but if he can find people he can jam and write new albums with, not just tour with on mainly older songs, he can continue to develop his career and his 'brand'.
I may have it totally wrong, but that's how I see it...
Fx
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Post by AussieGirl on Jul 26, 2009 18:48:44 GMT -5
I have to post my 2 cents worth ;D ;D
I have to say I agree with everyone else, and I trust Sebastian and I think it is great he is moving with the times BUT he still stays true to himself and the music we all love... So what he put a call out for what he wants in a band it is his band and he has been doing this long enough to know what he is doing..
I know I have said it before but I am gonna say it again , I so get Sebastian is sick of being compared to Skid Row being told do a reunion... It annoys the crap out of me he will post something on Myspace, Facebook Twitter and people come in and tell him Skid Row Ruled or what ever and I want to slap them it is the past... He has done alot of things since and hey I get people may not keep up I myself had to catch up... but I did that before I opened my mouth with something stupid Like do a reunion Man... For god sake 20 years ago I looked good in bubble gum jeans, now 20 years and 2 children later I don't look so good in them I could squeeze myself into them but they do not fit Just Like Sebastian and Skid row no longer fit....
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Post by Acekicken on Jul 27, 2009 4:09:00 GMT -5
[/quote]Well, my friend Ace.... i listen to all those newer bands that u mentioned..... trivium, dragonforce, Disturbed... all of them.... i like all of those bands... but it's all expressionless shred guitar..... they are not worth a crust on Reb Beach's underwear.... Can Trivium play those soulful, bluesy bends around the minor pentatonic like George Lynch?? Can those bands abuse the whammy bar like Reb beach, Brad gillis... or Dimebag darrell?? Can they play those beautiful vibratos like Neal schon or Andy timmons..?? the answer to all of them is NO.. But that's the kind of guitar sound i prefer to go alongwith Baz's voice.... And Mike starr??? Alice in chains?? That stupid band of grunge posers?? Let me refresh ur memory -- It was fucking "GRUNGE" that put Skid Row and a whole lot of other great bands out of business... it was grunge that put sebastian out of business... if it not had been for grunge Skid Row wud still have been rockin out and kickin ass... There isn't a more overrated genre in the world than grunge... It's the exact antithesis of evrything that rock'n roll stands for.... Bobby Dall of Poison, Bruno ravel from Danger danger and Jerry Dixon from Warrant are all better bassists than Mike starr... I'll commit suicide if baz associates with any musician from a grunge band.... I read somewhere Baz going on record saying he "HATES" grunge.... i'd like him to stay that way... I'm not judging whether Baz fraternising with ppl like Jamey jasta is "good" or "bad".... i'm just suggesting that there's an ulterior motive behind it all... Baz wants to be seen with the "it" crowd... But if baz puts out a record that ends up sounding like HateBreed then i'm definitely gonna shoot myself in the head..... BCoz Hatebreed = Downtuned Guitars + Scratchy vocals + No guitar solos..... [/quote] www.youtube.com/watch?v=auFu8hqwF0ABach & AIC "MAN IN A BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! M4L Grunge did not kill Skid Row,conflict with in is was happen. Grunge was a passing phase through music. Mike Star is a great bass player & unfortunately they got lumped under the umbrella of categorized music labels. Don't for get Skid Row also took Sound Garden out on tour. Now as to the extent of the talent in the bands I named the answer is YES! Guy's like Matt Heafy & Herman Li are young "AMAZING" Guitarist loaded with talent. Look at the work Matt did on the road runner united he help come up with a majority of In the fire & it fit right in with King's classic catalog listen to the soul of in the end. Sam Totman is a perfect dose of what Metal needs this day & age,killer riffs & tons of melody that is not dragging along like a bottom feeder. Im not saying Baz should avoid guitarist from the 80's but he should not be limited to choosing from them either. |
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Post by fanglette on Jul 27, 2009 6:18:57 GMT -5
According to Jamey Jasta in response to my tweet saying I'm keen to hear what his influence is gonna bring to the mix:
It will be very metal. You will dig!
Sounds really promising and exciting! \m/
Fx
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Post by Katkick on Jul 27, 2009 18:15:06 GMT -5
According to Jamey Jasta in response to my tweet saying I'm keen to hear what his influence is gonna bring to the mix: It will be very metal. You will dig! Sounds really promising and exciting! \m/ Fx Jamey said that? haaaa  ~teasing  |
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Post by AussieGirl on Jul 27, 2009 19:10:12 GMT -5
Just saw Sebastian posted this on facebook
Sebastian Bach just had a great heartfelt talk with the 1&only JOHNNY CHROMATIC!he sez he has a bunch of toons that'r BETTER than stuck inside!weshallc
And with Mattie's post on other thread about Rob does that just mean it is only Metal Mike that is no longer in band???
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Post by Katkick on Jul 27, 2009 20:43:47 GMT -5
 !!Bring IT Johnny!!!
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Post by butts on Jul 27, 2009 20:55:30 GMT -5
He followed up the post about Johnny with this ----
Just got fone w @john5guitarist !We r gonna write & record more tunes in aug 4sure! He is Fired up 2help w new record! I am STOKED!
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Post by Metalbrat on Aug 3, 2009 12:23:49 GMT -5
U know there is no way Zakk would do anything but his own and Ozzy, (just looked at a Zakk photo in Croc Rock Pizza joint, (Mama Crocs. lol which is weird. lol) Hope Baz gets something soon, so they can put his mug on the 'pizza wall of fame' with all the others, like Duff McKagen, GWAR, Zakk, etc. I think he needs a young kid that plays like a master this way he won't have preconcieved ideas of what its like to be on the road. And he can 'mold' him (or her, u know there are great 'her' guitarists) Orrrr, speaking of 'her' guitarists, our friend Broadway Jen who has her own band and originally learned guitar from Al Pitrelli from Megadeth and Baz's old band). Who by the way is looking awsome these days. Hey Sebastian, your friend Jen (from Broadway)has really grown into a musican/singer since you met her, and you had alot to do with that. Think about it. Just read that Anthrax is in need of a "NEW" singer!!!!! Baz with Anthrax would KICK ASS!!!!! Also means Scott is free,maybe it's time for Damnocracy/Savage Animal to TAKE IT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know Cincy keeps pushing the names Zakk Wylde & Slash but as cool as that could be I doubt we will ever see it in this life time. I could not See Baz on tour with Guns n Roses if Slash was in his band. |
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metal4life
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Post by metal4life on Aug 3, 2009 13:53:05 GMT -5
well, ppl are missing the point here.... Sebastian is making a conscious effort to distance himself from his past..... and that is reflected in his choice of musicians....... If baz was looking for the best musicians to complement his voice, he would never have employed Metal mike in the first place...... I loved "Angel down"..... but i see someone like Kee Marcello as the kind of guitarist who would really blend in with Baz's voice..... No offence to Metal Mike...... he is a great guitarist in his own right....
And i am sick and tired of baz trying to shun and shake off his past...... he could easily put a positive spin on his skid row connections.... but he constantly gets irritated when ppl talk about his past :(something irks him when ppl bring up skid row.....
And now he has started going out of his way to diss all other bands from the 80's which are reuniting.......... WTF?? pleaze baz, i love you man, but spare me the rant of ignorance..... it borders on stupidity.....
@ace
Man, ive listened to that dragonforce rendition.... i dont know about you but i set high standards(maybe coz i'm a guitar player myself)..... so unless somebody is playing something like Jimi hendrix's "Little wing"... or Stevie Ray vaughan's "Texas Flood".... or Andy timmons's "cry for you" or Kee marcello in "Superstitious", it doesn't register in my head as "Soulful"......... it's just me i guess....
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Post by Dogface on Aug 3, 2009 17:14:57 GMT -5
Ok...a couple of things: 1 - Alice In Chains....they were a METAL band!!!!!!!!!! If any of the "Grunge" bands had Metal in them, it was AIC for sure. Listen to "Dirt" and tell me thats not a massively Metal influenced album!!! 2 - M4L I understand where you are coming from with all this, but almost every single guitarist you have mentioned here is from the 80s. 1989 was 20 years ago man,....look, David Coverdale and the rest of those guys are clearly quite happy to be playing music they wrote 20 - 30 years ago, and thats fine, but I think you need to respect the fact that Sebastian has decided he dosent want to do that.....Sebastian still sees himself as evolving and learning and moving FORWARD and thats the reason he's pissed off with the Skid Row / 80s talk....(im guessing of course)....and can you blame him?? He wants to create music in the NOW.....he wants to remain RELEVANT and I think thats fantastic. From memory, most of the guys you've mentioned here are still playing 80's music in 80's bands and wearing 80's outfits.....thats fine, thats what they want to do, good on them, but please acknowledge the fact that they are NO LONGER RELEVANT in modern music....therefore why would Baz want to work with them? If you want to hear a 2009 version of, say, Sweet Little Sister im afraid you will have to go and check out that band called "Skid Row", with some guy called Johnny singing for them....Sebastian Bach is looking to move FORWARD not backwards. Sweet Little Sister is a 20 YEAR OLD SONG and is not relevant to todays music. I dont understand why, if you were a fan of Skid Row / Sebastian Bach in the late 80's and early 90's, why you "expect" Sebastian to sound a certain way....I think its sad that people want someone to remain in this little box that they put them in and expect them to never change....far out man, in 1989 I had a PERM....!!!!!! Should I be expected to still have my hair permed just because I did in 1989?  |
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metal4life
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Post by metal4life on Aug 4, 2009 1:25:23 GMT -5
Ok...a couple of things: 1 - Alice In Chains....they were a METAL band!!!!!!!!!! If any of the "Grunge" bands had Metal in them, it was AIC for sure. Listen to "Dirt" and tell me thats not a massively Metal influenced album!!! 2 - M4L I understand where you are coming from with all this, but almost every single guitarist you have mentioned here is from the 80s. 1989 was 20 years ago man,....look, David Coverdale and the rest of those guys are clearly quite happy to be playing music they wrote 20 - 30 years ago, and thats fine, but I think you need to respect the fact that Sebastian has decided he dosent want to do that.....Sebastian still sees himself as evolving and learning and moving FORWARD and thats the reason he's pissed off with the Skid Row / 80s talk....(im guessing of course)....and can you blame him?? He wants to create music in the NOW.....he wants to remain RELEVANT and I think thats fantastic. From memory, most of the guys you've mentioned here are still playing 80's music in 80's bands and wearing 80's outfits.....thats fine, thats what they want to do, good on them, but please acknowledge the fact that they are NO LONGER RELEVANT in modern music....therefore why would Baz want to work with them? If you want to hear a 2009 version of, say, Sweet Little Sister im afraid you will have to go and check out that band called "Skid Row", with some guy called Johnny singing for them....Sebastian Bach is looking to move FORWARD not backwards. Sweet Little Sister is a 20 YEAR OLD SONG and is not relevant to todays music. I dont understand why, if you were a fan of Skid Row / Sebastian Bach in the late 80's and early 90's, why you "expect" Sebastian to sound a certain way....I think its sad that people want someone to remain in this little box that they put them in and expect them to never change....far out man, in 1989 I had a PERM....!!!!!! Should I be expected to still have my hair permed just because I did in 1989? Matt, you were factually wrong on several counts.......... obviously u need to keep abreast of the recent developments......... FACT --- David Coverdale has put out several kickass solo albums since Whitesnake disbanded..... and whitesnake have released an awesome new record called "good to be bad" .... David Coverdale is certainly not flogging a dead horse or living off old songs...... FACT---- Reb beach(winger) has put out solo albums and has another brilliant side project called "the Mob" with which he has released an album.... he has also put out an AMAZING album with winger....... and he is certainly not wearing anything that looks remotely like an "80's outfit".......... same goes for coverdale.......... FACT-- kee marcello has a great solo project and he has played in an album for the death metal band called "Meshuggah".... that's not being cocooned or living off ur past, is it?? And what's with all the freakkin "Relevance" talk?? would Paganini's 24 caprices become "irrelevant" just bcoz they were composed 250 years ago?? Wud Brahms and Mozart become irrelevant as musicians today?? Would u expect Jimi Hendrix to evolve and play shitty-ass modern music just to remain "relevant"..?? I wouldn't want him to play anything but old-school blues... Would Aretha franklin become irrelevant just bcoz she is 70 years old. Would Mr. crowley become an irrelevant song just becoz it was written 20 years ago.... If today's retarded generation can't discern good music from bad, then that's their fucking problem, not mine... Fuck all those intellectually-stunted pussies..... But if truly great artists baz change their musical philosophy just to cater to their tastes... that's where i draw the line...... I know many thrash-metal bands which played thrash when that was"in".. then when 80's metal died out .... they started playing rap-metal or nu-metal when that was "hip".......... They ditched guitar solos when solos became "uncool".......... and then when thrash again became in vogue, they started playing thrash again.... I have never understood that kind of artist and i probably never will.... Music is not some kind of Technology or ideology that becomes obsolete or irrelevant..... good music played from the heart never goes out of fashion.......... and i cudn't care two shits and a fuck less about trends... That's why 40 years later ppl still buy and listen to Bob dylan's "No Direction Home" album.......... and we all know what happens to a band when they "evolve" or try to "stay relevant"... Exhibit A-- metallica "evolved" and the result is 18 years of bullshit albums since the Black album and the process has culminated in a shitty-ass album called "Death magnetic" .... |
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Post by baranthalas on Aug 4, 2009 11:31:57 GMT -5
i think load reload and death magnetic are brilliant. in fact, load album is one of the greatest albums in the universe.
everyone fails to see something. Some bands write music for fans, some bands write just for themselves. Metallica has stated "we are making our music, music for us. we never cared for what people want to hear, we are making the music we want to hear" since 1983
same goes for Baz. Ofc, if he wanted he could play skid row songs all the time and profit. those songs are already succesful. they all are perfect. but what is the fun in that ?
the joy of creating something is awesome. when i was serious about my music, i loved to play my songs live. i loved to see people reacting to my music.
you cant live under the shadow of your past. well of course you can live if you are NOT capable of stepping out of that shadow and let the sun burn his skin after a long time.
whoa that was a great sentence i should use that everytime ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Acekicken on Aug 4, 2009 11:35:13 GMT -5
well, ppl are missing the point here.... Sebastian is making a conscious effort to distance himself from his past..... and that is reflected in his choice of musicians....... If baz was looking for the best musicians to complement his voice, he would never have employed Metal mike in the first place...... I loved "Angel down"..... but i see someone like Kee Marcello as the kind of guitarist who would really blend in with Baz's voice..... No offence to Metal Mike...... he is a great guitarist in his own right.... And i am sick and tired of baz trying to shun and shake off his past...... he could easily put a positive spin on his skid row connections.... but he constantly gets irritated when ppl talk about his past :(something irks him when ppl bring up skid row..... And now he has started going out of his way to diss all other bands from the 80's which are reuniting.......... WTF?? pleaze baz, i love you man, but spare me the rant of ignorance..... it borders on stupidity..... @ace Man, ive listened to that dragonforce rendition.... i dont know about you but i set high standards(maybe coz i'm a guitar player myself)..... so unless somebody is playing something like Jimi hendrix's "Little wing"... or Stevie Ray vaughan's "Texas Flood".... or Andy timmons's "cry for you" or Kee marcello in "Superstitious", it doesn't register in my head as "Soulful"......... it's just me i guess.... M4L the only one missing the point is you. Sebastian has the rite to work with who ever he wants. He's not trying to live from his past nor is he trying to forget it. It is what it is the PAST,he's trying to move forward. Skid Row will never be the band we grew up to. Baz has changed Rachel,Snake Rob & Scotti have all changed. If they ever decided to put difference a side it still would not change that they have not been a band for 13 years. Kee Marcello is a great guitarist who has been reunited with his 80's glam band Easy Action for some time now. Now you say these guitarist would blend with Baz voice & I don't for a second doubt that. But would they get along? Would they be able to live together for months at a time on a tour bus or spend long boring hours at the air port? IMO Metal Mike was exactly who Baz needed for Angel Down. I for one will miss him in Baz band & will still be checking out his next projects. Honestly if you listen to Slave to the grind then Angel Down you can hear the evolution for Sebastian continue. He has always wanted to make in you face METAL,yet also loves ballads & down n dirty Sleazy in your face Hard Rock. If I had a choice for a Europe Guitarist to be in Sebastian's band it would be John Norum. As far as Baz knocking bands for getting back together I follow every interview forever I have heard him say in a nut shell that's them not me. When it comes down to it why not wait till the music comes out & judge it by what it is not who's not playing on it? And for the record the first time I saw AIC Live was when they open for Slayer,Anthrax & Megadeth Clash of the Titans tour & they where pure raw energetic METAL listen to We die young < I would love to hear Baz sing that song. |
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That's why in 2009 Coldplay is selling out stadiums and a real talent like sebastian is struggling to make and meet..... Until the middle of the 20th century, music was all about "tradition".... but suddenly with the major record labels gaining control... the focus shifted to "originality"..... and today gimmicky bands are doing anything to be original.....
Just listen to that studio update and put your mind at rest.
~teasing 
!!Bring IT Johnny!!!
