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Post by Katkick on Feb 4, 2010 10:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by Papillon78 on Feb 4, 2010 13:03:27 GMT -5
Papillon78I'll be looking forward to reading your views as well. I have a lot of respect for your opinion too and LOVE the fact that you now think this way......."But then I just gave flying whatever (just delete it) I don't care, and kept posting. Like it or not." You crack me up! ;D In the nicest possible way. ;D ;D ;D I am that old that I know I can't please everyone. And thank God there's no need to. In general: I don't like everyone and everyone doesn't like me. Suits me fine.  |
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Post by AussieGirl on Feb 4, 2010 18:55:25 GMT -5
Ok Dogface and Paps you guilted me I was lurking and thought I should log on and say HELLOOOOOO..... ;D ;D ;D What a interesting little topic this has become... well here is something I was wondering with the censorship side of things, I am wondering if some of it is a cultural thing as in what people find offensive to say about Sebastian and others do not find offensive, cause I am noticing I am not sure were Ember is from but Dogface, Pigeonwing and I are Aussie, and we all seem to be agreeing about freedom of speech issue and here it is not what you say it is how you say it kinda thing ....as in everyone has friends who do things sometimes, that we think is stupid and well we will tell them so and still remain friends.... that is what mates do we tell you when your being a dick but we still love you... if that makes any sense... and I think what some of us want from the board is to be able to do that, with no disrespect to Sebastian, just sometimes it is hard posting when you are worried you are going to offend someone or breaking the rules & it will get deleted (no offence to the moderators I know you have rules to follow and I think you do a great job), I love Sebastian love his music but I admit there has been times I have wanted to type WTF is he doing?  but don't so there for I say nothing... |
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Post by Dogface on Feb 4, 2010 18:58:24 GMT -5
To DogfaceI agree with everything you said......as usual, lol. You always put it so well. And I especially like the suggestion you made that maybe someone could ask Sebastian about the Board if they are lucky enough to meet up with him at the show they're going to. Guess they'd have to be pretty tactful about it though, lol. Cheers mate. Unless Baz has been "lurking" and not signing in, it seems he hasnt been here in a long time now, and I think he should come in and see whats been going on....maybe he has, we wouldnt know...but the simple fact of it is that we are ALL FANS of him (except those dirty Trolls) and want the best for him, so I for one hope that someone here from the Board tells him that when they see him and I hope he gets the message and comes on here to see whats going on. I know of at least 2 people who have left the Board over the past couple of years because they felt they were being either bullied, ignored, insulted or just generally not liked....now, this is the Internet and many people are nameless, faceless people who can hide behind a screen and be quite nasty, but on a Board like this, it just shouldnt happen. We are all fans of the same music, same person (Baz) and maybe those people I speak of should have not taken things to heart so much....jeeez, you should see some of the arguments IVE gotten into with people over at Blabbermouth!! Ive had some beauties over there!! Anyway I digress....yeah so what im saying is that we need to all be aware that we are all from different Countries, different cultures etc etc, and RESPECT for each other goes a long way on the Board....anyway what am I rambling on about?? I dunno LOL.... So yeah if any of you run into Baz at the shows, try to ask him to come back and get involved with the Board again! |
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Post by AussieGirl on Feb 4, 2010 19:10:18 GMT -5
Actually, she found me. We have a great relationship. One thing that I did forget to mention about her is that she is married. And no, I am not a grandmother. LOL Not yet anyway. The bond is a close bond. It's like she has always been there. And she pretty much has. She grew up around my family and no one knew that this child they watched grow up was mine. Pretty crazy story. And when I have the time, I'll tell the whole story one day. Thanks. And I do understand why you haven't been around. He is adorable. Glad to see you bach on here again. ;D So when are you going to have a girl? LOL  Thanks for sharing that... I am glad it is all going good. I think it is all very exciting and so nice of you to share it with us all.. As for the girl I am working on it LOL... I would love another baby, it is the odd number thing middle child syndrome and all that... and my family just does not feel complete yet... but apparently my husband cannot go thru another pregnancy LOL... I was rather unwell this time... not so much from pregnancy but just got every bug and what not.. and was a rather stressful time and apparently according to all the boys in my household I was grumpy... So they are not ready to go thru it again just yet  |
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Post by PigeonWing on Feb 5, 2010 4:34:46 GMT -5
 PigeonWing As for people coming here to trash talk Baz? Why would that ever be tolerated? I would NEVER suggest that people should come here to 'trash talk' Sebastian. We'll leave that up to those silly IQ deficient Blabbermouthers. Like Aussiegirl said, there are some instances in which we question even those who we love. Why? Because we care. Digging deeper and discussing opinions does not mean trashing.... In fact, it's quite the opposite. |
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Post by Mick Sander on Feb 5, 2010 4:55:53 GMT -5
about the free speech thing.. i agree fully that we should be allowed to say what we think about sebastians projects positive or negative...
being forced to suck up just so our comments dont get deleted is B**LS**T.
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Post by Mick Sander on Feb 5, 2010 4:57:46 GMT -5
^^hell yeah reply 666^^
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Post by Mick Sander on Feb 5, 2010 5:04:14 GMT -5
PigeonWing As for people coming here to trash talk Baz? Why would that ever be tolerated? I would NEVER suggest that people should come here to 'trash talk' Sebastian. We'll leave that up to those silly IQ deficient Blabbermouthers. Like Aussiegirl said, there are some instances in which we question even those who we love. Why? Because we care. Digging deeper and discussing opinions does not mean trashing.... In fact, it's quite the opposite. PigeonWing is right - i dont like some of the things sebastian has done (the last hard - indeed) but better not say that or my comment will be deleted |
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Post by ember on Feb 5, 2010 6:25:21 GMT -5
..........posting here actually for many years under a few different names now. I stopped here and there out of frustration ... What other screen names have you posted under on this board? Why post under different screen names here? * Ha ha...........wondered who'd pick up on that. Hmmm, don't know if I should tell you or not. I'm actually surprised a few of you haven't picked it anyway. The only reason I used new screen names is because I was unable to use my original one, or the second, again. And just adding a '1' or something seemed rather lame to me. |
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Post by PigeonWing on Feb 5, 2010 7:24:14 GMT -5
I would NEVER suggest that people should come here to 'trash talk' Sebastian. We'll leave that up to those silly IQ deficient Blabbermouthers. Like Aussiegirl said, there are some instances in which we question even those who we love. Why? Because we care. Digging deeper and discussing opinions does not mean trashing.... In fact, it's quite the opposite. PigeonWing is right - i dont like some of the things sebastian has done (the last hard - indeed) but better not say that or my comment will be deleted Thanks for the support (and I know you had good intentions), but that's wasn't reeealy the attitude I was looking for. The last thing I want to do is start pinning people against each other. Here's an example of what I think should and shouldn't be acceptable: unacceptable:
A country album?! What the hell was Baz thinking? Any body who thinks that is a good idea has clearly got their head up their arse.acceptable:
When it comes down to it, Sebastian has proved himself first and foremost to be a great rock and metal artist. Therefore I'm personally not so sure that doing a country album is such a good idea. If not executed properly, making a risky move like that could lead to negative consequences. See the difference? (these don't reflect my opinion, btw) What do you think? |
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Post by Dogface on Feb 5, 2010 7:27:34 GMT -5
I would NEVER suggest that people should come here to 'trash talk' Sebastian. We'll leave that up to those silly IQ deficient Blabbermouthers. Like Aussiegirl said, there are some instances in which we question even those who we love. Why? Because we care. Digging deeper and discussing opinions does not mean trashing.... In fact, it's quite the opposite. PigeonWing is right - i dont like some of the things sebastian has done (the last hard - indeed) but better not say that or my comment will be deleted Aussiegirl made a point earlier that I reckon is pretty valid....in that some of us can say things that in our own Country would be considered fine, but in others could be considered not fine...I get the feeling thats what it is. No disrespect to anyone from the U.S but I have a mate (friend) that I speak to regularly from the U.S and he has been confused (probably offended) by a couple of things I said early on to him which, if said to another Australian, would have been laughed off with no problems. Its only been since hes gotten to know me that he understands the Aussie slang words and humour. I remember the first time I joined the board I made a comment that I was going to catch up with Baz on his Australian tour and get him really drunk and find out what the delay was with Angel Down....completely joking of course, in that Aussie humour way...well...that went down like a LEAD BALOON amongst some people and I got completley slammed for it, because Baz was off the Alcohol at that time. Fortunately I think I cleared it up and im still here so alls well in the end but yeah I think at times people can easily misinterpret what is said....anyway...I think most of us are big enough to know who comes here as a fan with a genuine interest and who comes here to deliberately cause trouble. I like that this issue is coming out into the open a little and we can all speak our minds on this, better to get some stuff off the old chest and then we all know where we stand. I really hope Baz makes it on here soon to read everyones posts. |
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Post by Dogface on Feb 5, 2010 7:33:34 GMT -5
PigeonWing is right - i dont like some of the things sebastian has done (the last hard - indeed) but better not say that or my comment will be deleted Thanks for the support (and I know you had good intentions), but that's wasn't reeealy the attitude I was looking for. The last thing I want to do is start pinning people against each other. Here's an example of what I think should and shouldn't be acceptable: unacceptable:
A country album?! What the hell was Baz thinking? Any body who thinks that is a good idea has clearly got their head up their arse.acceptable:
When it comes down to it, Sebastian has proved himself first and foremost to be a great rock and metal artist. Therefore I'm personally not so sure that doing a country album is such a good idea. If not executed properly, making a risky move like that could lead to negative consequences. See the difference? (these don't reflect my opinion, btw) What do you think? SPOT ON PIGE!! |
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Post by Mick Sander on Feb 5, 2010 7:49:58 GMT -5
PigeonWing is right - i dont like some of the things sebastian has done (the last hard - indeed) but better not say that or my comment will be deleted Thanks for the support (and I know you had good intentions), but that's wasn't reeealy the attitude I was looking for. The last thing I want to do is start pinning people against each other. Here's an example of what I think should and shouldn't be acceptable: unacceptable:
A country album?! What the hell was Baz thinking? Any body who thinks that is a good idea has clearly got their head up their arse.acceptable:
When it comes down to it, Sebastian has proved himself first and foremost to be a great rock and metal artist. Therefore I'm personally not so sure that doing a country album is such a good idea. If not executed properly, making a risky move like that could lead to negative consequences. See the difference? (these don't reflect my opinion, btw) What do you think? yeah i understand but the 2 points say exactly the same thing to me - just 2 diffrent ways of saying the same thing the way i see it - people should just say what they think (the way the think it) and if someone else is offended by their choice of words then that is in the eye of the beholder really.. if people get offended by what i say but my intention is not to offend them.. thats their problem not mine |
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Post by ember on Feb 5, 2010 8:31:34 GMT -5
Haha, you are so 'aussie' Mick. But I agree with Pigeonwing and Dogface.......... and what you said actually, that it's "in the eye of the beholder". That IS the point we're trying to make here AND keep in mind I think. And misunderstandings can happen on the Internet, especially because of this, more than anywhere else!! And often if we're trying to be 'funny' sometimes!  Where's the harm in 'keeping it nice' when we know that not everyone is comfortable with 'calling a spade a spade'. I, for one, never want to offend anyone, and yet I know I do sometimes because I do have a few strong views but I completely agree with Aussiegirl........it's not so much what you say but how you say it. |
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Post by Mick Sander on Feb 5, 2010 9:07:01 GMT -5
Haha, you are so 'aussie' Mick. But I agree with Pigeonwing and Dogface.......... and what you said actually, that it's "in the eye of the beholder". That IS the point we're trying to make here AND keep in mind I think. And misunderstandings can happen on the Internet, especially because of this, more than anywhere else!! And often if we're trying to be 'funny' sometimes! Where's the harm in 'keeping it nice' when we know that not everyone is comfortable with 'calling a spade a spade'. I, for one, never want to offend anyone, and yet I know I do sometimes because I do have a few strong views but I completely agree with Aussiegirl........it's not so much what you say but how you say it. yeah im a good ole aussie metalhead bogan lol, wheres my beer gone? i guess i just dont care if i offend people with my choice of words. its the way i am - i dont care how people say things to me as long as their being themselves and they tell the truth. i know some people who tell me lies because they dont want to offend me (or they cant find a nice way to sugar coat stuff), but when i find out the truth that always makes me pi**ed off at them and i wonder why they couldnt just spit it out the first place. but thats a whole diffrent subject. also being told HOW to say things is like being censored in a way.. everyone sholud just be who they are.. if people wanna take the time to be extra nice thats up to them, if not thats fine too.. |
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Post by ember on Feb 5, 2010 9:17:17 GMT -5
Must admit Mick, I tend to be like you. I HATE it when I find out someone has "sugar-coated" stuff and just not told me the truth. But I hate hurting people even more. |
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Post by Mick Sander on Feb 5, 2010 9:20:27 GMT -5
Must admit Mick, I tend to be like you. I HATE it when I find out someone has "sugar-coated" stuff and just not told me the truth. But I hate hurting people even more. oh i dont like to hurt people that sucks - but i think some people need to harden the f**k up - most of the time being offended and having ones feeling crushed comes from deep within. unless someone is delibrately trying to have a go then thats diffrent |
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Post by ember on Feb 5, 2010 9:29:06 GMT -5
Yep, we hit some sort of sore point..... a fear or something. Trouble is we've all got them, and we've got no idea what's inside other people and what we might trigger in them. Not a big fan of 'volcanoes' either haha.
And when the subject is precious to us, like Baz tends to be here, I just figure we have to respect other people on that basis. And I appreciate it when they do the same for me. (I hope.)
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Post by Mick Sander on Feb 5, 2010 9:57:21 GMT -5
yeah i can dig that, treat people how you would like to be treated. thats cool thats what i do - i guess i just dont mind if someone wants to be blunt with me because thats how i roll
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Post by rocknrollmom on Feb 5, 2010 19:01:24 GMT -5
All this discussion of manners and netiquette has brought me back to something Sebastian posted a long time ago, I don't remember which version of his board even, but he basically said that if it was somehting you wouldn't say to his face, you shouldn't post it. Having said that, I have said things here that he has not liked and had them deleted. So while I am for free speech, I can see why some would edit themselves and or sugarcoat the facts.
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Post by PigeonWing on Feb 5, 2010 23:42:36 GMT -5
Aussiegirl made a point earlier that I reckon is pretty valid....in that some of us can say things that in our own Country would be considered fine, but in others could be considered not fine... Aah, to live in a country where 'bastard' is considered an endearment. Isn't it great? yeah im a good ole aussie metalhead bogan lol, wheres my beer gone? Ahaha! All your sins are forgiven, Mick ;D But really, diplomacy is VERY important. I'd agree with your anti-bull sh*t policy, but there is value in thinking carefully before you write. Spelling things out to make sure that all you intentions are understood may not be entirely straight forward, but it can avoid a lot of messy conflict. Especially on the Internet where tone doesn't exist. If we want the freedom to hold more controversial discussions, then we all need to be adult about it. This means: a) Being aware that people will disagree. b) Being respectful and open of other people's points of view. c) Ensuring that you always express an opinion as just that - a personal opinion, not a fact. |
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Post by ember on Feb 6, 2010 6:46:42 GMT -5
All this discussion of manners and netiquette has brought me back to something Sebastian posted a long time ago, I don't remember which version of his board even, but he basically said that if it was somehting you wouldn't say to his face, you shouldn't post it. Having said that, I have said things here that he has not liked and had them deleted. So while I am for free speech, I can see why some would edit themselves and or sugarcoat the facts. I really do think that most who post what they do on here would be prepared to say what they say here to Sebastian's face as I think most post in the hope that he'll read it and care about what they have to say anyway, and we all take the trouble to say it because we DO care. I also remember him saying not so long ago about negative posts specifically he wants this board to be somewhere his fans can come to enjoy themselves, which to him meant without having to read all the negative crap that's already out there on the Internet here. But I've also heard/read him saying in quite a few interviews that he uses the Internet as much as he does because it helps "put bums on seats". And I get that he likes to have somewhere to come on the Net that only contains positive stuff about him and his music, the music being why he does everything he does anyway. (Subtle enough? lol) The trouble with all of that, as I see it, is that you can only say "awesome" and "hot", "brilliant" and "cool" so many times before it becomes BORING, to him as well it seems. He must know we care about him because we take the time and trouble to post, but maybe (just 'maybe', because I'm theorizing here) he doesn't really need or welcome any of our comments unless they are complimentary because all that really matters to him.....bottom line........is how many people love his music enough to buy the albums, make enough 'noise' so the promoters want to book shows for him and that we then show lots of appreciation when we go to the concerts. Those are the factors that ensure he gets to keep making his beloved music and we get to keep hearing it anyway and, from all the interviews I've read over the years, I believe that that's what makes him a happy man. The reason I started this topic of discussion now is because I really don't believe he even comes here anymore. Hell, he doesn't even bother to add notifications of what he's doing at the top of the pages anymore... tours, nothing. So as there seemed little risk of offending the man himself anymore, I figured that maybe this little community here could figure out a way to use this forum more like those others that do enjoy being able to have good discussions about their favourite subject....Baz in this case, obviously...... and really get this Board happening with numbers that will make him proud and that WE can enjoy more. And maybe that means our discussions here are more about how WE can get along doing that......'netiquette' as you so aptly put it rocknrollmom....... and have a good time. |
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Post by bachfan20 on Feb 11, 2010 10:25:33 GMT -5
*waves hi to everyone* My 2 cents is this everyone has an opinion but don't be surprised if not everyone agrees with it, we are all different. Baz has had so much bad said about him that I personally think if what you are posting is rude, negative or hurtful than take it to him in a PM. We seem to have such a problem with trolls on this board  but honestly as long as everyone can play nice with each other it is okay to disagree, and not everyone likes the same thing so when it comes to what Baz does everyone has varying opinions and that isn't a bad thing. We are all here for the same reason, we love Baz. There are a lot of different countries represented on this board so one has to take that into consideration. Not everyone "talks" the same way, so be ready to broaden your thinking as you read. LOL |
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Post by ember on Feb 12, 2010 0:27:02 GMT -5
Not everyone "talks" the same way, so be ready to broaden your thinking as you read. LOL Haha, that's a great way to put it. Well said Bachfan20!  |
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Post by bachfan20 on Feb 13, 2010 18:45:57 GMT -5
Not everyone "talks" the same way, so be ready to broaden your thinking as you read. LOL Haha, that's a great way to put it. Well said Bachfan20! Thank you |
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Post by ember on May 11, 2010 9:17:28 GMT -5
A 13 year old boy wrote the lyrics and composed this world song. Then he turns around, sings and records it. Just had to share it with you all. |
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Post by newbachfan123 on Jul 15, 2010 13:22:54 GMT -5
Time to bring this thread to life again. I know I haven't been on here in a while. Thought I would share something with all of you. I have recently found out that my 2 girls are making me a grandma in 2011. ;D I am so excited. Triplets in January. And no due date yet on the recent one. I will keep you posted. |
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Post by rocknrollmom on Jul 15, 2010 17:18:36 GMT -5
Congratulations. As a new Grandma, I know how excited you must be.
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Post by Dogface on Jul 15, 2010 18:14:01 GMT -5
Great news! Congrats!!
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but don't so there for I say nothing... 
but honestly as long as everyone can play nice with each other it is okay to disagree, and not everyone likes the same thing so when it comes to what Baz does everyone has varying opinions and that isn't a bad thing.
